A Friend uses 17 hmr for culling around vineyards, with the right projectile they wont blow fist size holes.
223 is 'overkill' really.
I have the bushnell rimfire 3-9. Its ok, nothing to rave about but works good.
If I had $1000 to spend i'd be looking at cz's (some of the wooden stocks are much, much nicer than you'd expect).
Chris
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