you need to sit right through the movie "coconut the little dragon" and all your questions will be answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil_H
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you need to sit right through the movie "coconut the little dragon" and all your questions will be answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil_H
hmmm must be another movie...we watched one for two hours...learnt all about firegrass,so much we nearly wet pants laughing....
Quote Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
If you went 222, 243 and 3006, you would still have it covered. Perfect spread in my opinion.
Back in the 70s an old Alaskan mate got it all done with even less. The only rifle he owned was a beautifully customized Chilean Mauser 7x57. He used that for everything from hares to moose to grizzlys. He made up a half dozen different loads for it and marked the cases with nail polish in various colours to denote the different bullet weights and powder loads. Worked for him.
Hi @caberslashQuote:
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Yes we got our Sako Vixen 222 for $240 with rings and a 4 xWeaver scope, and ammo was free. We were allocated 3 rounds per kill so we ended up with surplus as when we hunted 7 days a week you got pretty good with your rifle and didn't miss to often. Not sure about the last question I haven't heard of it happening but wouldn't be surprised . I bought a Sako Forrester in 243 while in the Forest Service but didn't get allocated ammo for it, it was cheap enough and some days I would take it out for a hunt just for a change, great days back then for sure.
I often went into Tisdall's after school, early 70's. They just don't have shops like that anymore. It was like walking into 'Santa's Gun-Cave', not a stainless barrel in sight
Only went there once while visiting Wgtn and it sure was an Alladin's cave. Saw stuff you only read about in small towns
I was born in 72.....My old man hunted with a semi 243 that I never saw....used a husky 30/06 and raved about its putting down on spot power,had soft spot for 303 and not the 308...go figure???
older bro had 30/30,then 223 then 308
one of the crowd they hunted with had a 270
and that was about all I came into contact with as a kid
handled some nice rifles over the years,savage 66 in 22hp savage...apparently my Grandfathers rifle of choice,
32/20 both in lever and a single shot bolt gun.
styer/manlicher full wooden 270win was possible the most classy hunting rifle Ive ever handled.
we went up to by piha beach to buy an ellis charmers HD6 and the fella had huge gun collection,got to fire brown bess with priming charge,handled a vickers and just was gob struck....
happy days when collections were stacked against wall of strong room and WERE SAFE....
MD that semiauto 243 might have been a Remington 740 Woodmaster- quite alot around then. Later called 7400. Old man liked his Remington 760 Gamemaster pump action - the Remmy pumps and semis very quick and effective in the northern bush. Neither around now of course... Cindy thought they might kill something.. :o
My first was the Parker Hale lee Enfield conversion in 303 of course. John Prince an Engine Driver in Greymouth handloaded it for me used to get 40 mm groups with a Kowa scope. I was living in Otira at the time and bought a Sako finnbear in .270 off another Engine Driver, 1 load , 55 grains of 4831 and the Hornady 150 grain flat base bullets, she was a heavy bitch and the choppers were cleaning out the tussock country so swapped it for a BSA majestic in 308 with the muzzle break, had some sort of European scope , Wetzlar? or similar probably my favourite combo. My brother has an identical rifle now.
Yep - the Remmy Woodmaster was called the 740 for short period from 1955-59 apparently. Then in 1962 it became the better known 742 until 1980 when it became the 7400. No idea when it was discontinued...
Actually there were alot of interesting old rimfires in that 50s- 80s period too.
It could have been a Winchester M100 too.
And ISCO sports just around the cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by rewa
there was a story of some escapees from a farm into the pureora a long time ago......probably just a myth but my trail cams did pick up a stag that looked like it could have been a hybrid about 8 year ago...........Quote:
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@rewa Re; Santa's Gun Cave..... Wilsons in Whanganui isn't far off that. I'm sure they have to get the carpet cleaner out to clean up my drool after I've been in there....... Bloody good selection for a small city shop :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rewa
Greetings @Phil_H,Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil_H
There was a 6.8 x57 Chinese Mauser from 1908 some of which were made by Mauser so this may have been the rifle you had. Projectile dia was .277 inches. There was supposedly a longer version as well. The .270 Win was not as original as we have been led to believe.
Regards Grandpamac.
As far as gunshops went, it was rather good when I was studying in town (Auckland) mid 80's.
You would start at Hewit&Bale at the bottom of Queen street, Tisdalls 1/2 way up, Harmony house near the top, then a 10 min walk across to Sportsways next to the prison.
Not that I'm saying it was a regular loop or anything ;)
When I was a kid and the family was on holiday touring the country Dad and I would go window shopping at the gun shop in whatever town we were staying the night - almost every town had its sports shop with its array of guns.
Unlike today’s naff ‘sports shops’ like Stirling Sports etc.
We currently have this bit of l am guessing 70's, .222 Nostalgia for sale on the forum ,would be a good thing for someone with the nostalgia/Deuce itch .
Anyone have one of these back in the day ??
BSA Hunter/Regent .222 for sale
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....t-222-a-74396/
"almost every town had its sports shop with its array of guns."
@Finnwolf Yeh amazing how things have changed, a couple of funny stories from our time in Oz,one bloke we worked with had a framed photo of Charles & Dianne doing a visit to a regional town ,pic was taken by his wife with him smiling with his back to the car as they drive past.In front of him is a gun bag containing his pig/deer hunting rifle a 308 Woodmaster, all totally innocent & of no concern to anyone at the time , as he was simply a bushy on his trip to town picking up his gun with a new scope on it,that just happened to be on the day they visited .
The other was in the late 80's l think it was one of their major stores & sporting chains Myers decided to get out of selling guns & sold off the stock at huge discounts .I was shown photos of switched on blokes buying all the shotguns & ammo etc in stock for reselling before the up coming duck season. They had pics taken at the check outs with shopping trolley's stacked with guns like umbrella stands & overflowing with cases of ammo, can you imagine the panty wetting now :P
I can remember one gun shop,I think it was Blenheim or Nelson that had a few Dozen Pistols,SMG's and long arms high up on the wall behind the counter. I was in there with Dad as a kid and they had some kind of heavy Auto cannon on the floor that had been recovered from a Zero fighter in PNG.Quote:
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I would love to know where that shop was,Dad and I have been arguing over it for years.
50 quid to knob of goat shit...the fellas at combined services club in Blenheim will know..... went there for meal a few years back and took young fella into the display room where all the rifles etc were stored......AWESOME to see them there and good to show young people what our service folk have used over the years.
The animals in the 70s weren't nearly as literate as they are today.
I never had a deer, a big pig etc get up after I'd shot him and tell me "that 308 has poor BC and is not a good choice", or " don't you know a 284 has flatter trajectory after 400 meters", or "excuse me but that 30-30 soft nose you just shot me with only has 990 ft/lbs at 200, while a 308 180gr Norma has 1800 ft/lbs". The animals weren't internet 'experts' back then. So they just fell over and died without a word. Clearly I/they have alot to learn..
@norsk That reminds me years ago l had done a gig guiding Americans on a Chital Deer & pig hunting trip in Northern Queensland & they wanted a bit of a tour through the country side back to the airport ,so for that sort of thing l would pick out towns with a bit of history & do a over night stay in a old outback pub to give them the feel of the country/locals.
We pulled up in a old mining town in the middle of no where , that the bakery was renowned for its pies & cakes & a local that every day took his Brahman bull for a walk down the pub & beer.While they were filling up on pies, l went for a walk in the old main street to try to get service on my phone to confirm the over night booking at the next towns pub for that night & there was the towns old RSL hall, all neglected, broken windows ,the paint on the weatherboards peeling & falling off from lack of use & neglect obviously had not been used for a while. Well bugger me sitting outside in the dirt was a Japanese war booty, Type 3 / Type 92, Heavy Machine Gun,just left rusting , a dog or kid had dug down the couple of inches to show it was only held down by old paint tins filed with concrete with a bit of bent wire.
The guys l was guiding were all Vietnam era veterans & they could not believe it either,often wondered how it escaped the Ozzy Nanny state grubs or how it was not nicked as a wall hanger or if they had sold it whether it would bring enough to fix up the RSL.
#109 @bunji. On the strength of those photos I,d condition score that Hunter @ 4-5 outta 10.Good mate of mine totes his trebly Hunter & regularly sacks Reds out to 300 yards confirming they arn,t flukes.His beater would struggle to score anymore than 1, and it wears the cheapest raggedy arse poxy chinese scope ever imported to this archipelego.The barrel looks like it served on the Western Front in a previous life devouring cordite & yet bugger me it will still shoot the eye out of a needle.Treat em mean....keep em keen
My old .222 works the same. A year ago (ish) my father-in-law offered to get it shortened by half an inch, and recrowned by a retired Gunsmith mate in Wangas. This came about when I mentioned I was going to do it with hack-saw and file, because I found it a bit loose, in that last 1/2 inch when I 'slugged' it with a couple of .22 pellets. Some weeks later, when I picked it up, he said it wasnt done, because his mate reckoned it needed re-barreling. I still havent done it, though I believe it would tighten it up a bit. It still hits golf-balls at 150m and I put this down to expert craftsmen, who knew how to hand-cut chambers and rifling properly. (tikka m55) I often consider getting it re-barreled, but the only time I ever did that to a rifle, it was never the same again, or accurate
@rewa yeah nar those trebly m55's are inherently accurate.For one the trebly just is, and secondly as you rightly say the m55 action and build quality is right up there.Barrels of quality Swedish Bofors steel, then expertly cut rifling rather than budget hammer forged or button rifled.Excellent factory bedding system to complete the package.If it was me I,d just shout the old girl a recrown & back in business.To rebarrel it would also devalue it as an appreciating firearm into the future
Actually, now I think of it, Barry Lissingtons shop, on the Square, was the ultimate Cave. When you walked in, you had to stop and let your eyes adjust,it was so dark. For a small fee, you could fire their old BSA slug-gun at a target, (through an OSH-approved long-box, Cinders). I watched an old-guy discreetly pass-over a pistol from the war, didnt know what to do with it and wouldnt deal with the Feds. He left quickly, so myself and another school-kid were allowed to stare wide-eyed at it for a few minutes..the good old days
Norm Hansen on George Street had a slug gun gallery.Quote:
Originally Posted by rewa
Lissington’s became Halletts and moved to Main Street. Most will remember the smart are son Menzies
Certainly remember Menzies and agree with your summary of him.Quote:
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Ran into him several times at NZDA National's. He always had the best of gear right down to shooting shoes. Money cannot always buy results.
Died a couple of years ago. Dark past.
Slightly off topic but what about all those sports stores way back when.
My old man bought me a TOZ 22 and a sporterised 303 from Turner and LeBruns in Christchurch when I was about 14. Then I bought a BSA CF2 in .270 from Cromb and Merritt in Cashel st. That thing did a couple of trips into Fiordland and thats where it should have stayed. Must have been fit and strong back then to heave that thing up all those vertical faces
Then I bought a Sako Finnbear in .270 from Alan Millars in Dunedin, and then later a Forrester in 22.250 for long range bunny sniping. Very accurate and worked a treat, but only for the first shot, cos it was so bloody noisy that all the rabbits dived back in their holes where it was safe and quiet. I remember Allan had a Mannlicher .270 on the shelf and it was a thing of beauty. He wanted to trade both my Sako's plus some cash but I resisted, only cos with a young family I didn't have spare cash
Then I turned to the dark side and bought a Winchester Featherlight in .223; I glass bedded it and man was it accurate, then a Ruger M77 in .223, then a Vixen in .222 but had it rechambered to .223; all from the local gun store here in Blenheim. Sold that for another Sako in .270 from Hamills in Nelson, and then to a Mk5 Weatherby from H and F in Nelson
Finally set myself up with another Sako Vixen and a customer built 6.5 06 so I guess I'm pretty well done
I lived thru all those years, dairy farming family in rural NZ . Learned on a Lithgow model 12 which I had unsupervised privileges with from age 12, and a box of ammo each month from Dalgety's. The only centerfire in the extended family was a 12g side by side that I never got to shoot. Bought a scoped sporter 303 as a student in Wellington at 18 for bugger all with 2 boxes of ammo and had it for about 4 yrs during which it shot several fence posts and a goat. Sold it with most of the ammo intact to buy a motorbike. Didn't know anyone close enough who went deer stalking and never somehow summoned the wherewithal to get past reading magazines and go out on my own. With secret aspirations newly married, I bought a fully wooded Lithgow in pristine nick from a crate of them in a Hamilton shop for about $27 in 1977, along with a Lee Loader, sleeve of primers, bottle of slugs and a jug of powder. Oh, and an Aussie reloading book. Did a nice-if-I-say-so-myself sporterising job on it. Again it shot a few fenceposts, a large rat and some Raglan goats. Then I took up fly fishing instead. Eventually it was all sold to fund a bassinet. Then came the suits and career, along the way I acquired a Marlin 30-30, Ruger 10-22 and a Mossberg 500 with both barrels. The Marlin actually shot a fallow deer much to the disgust of the Riverhead meat-hunt operators who couldn't stop calling it "that dirty thirty". Ok so I couldn't blow a parry up at about 10 football fields away but that was pretty good venison. Now the suits have gone, the bassinets are borrowed for the weekend only, and I have more rifles than I'll probably ever get to hunt with. And I've still only shot the one deer. Clearly I was looking the wrong way all those years. A lot of goats have graced the freezer, a couple of wallabies and countless rabbits fell to the bow, but next year is the year of the deer, one way or another. And I can choose from 22 Hornet, 222, 223, 22-250, 6.5x55, 7x55, 308, 30-30, 303B, 32-20, 44-40, 357Mag, 45 Colt/.454 Casull. Half of them were first used pre-mid 1970s as far back as 1940s. Better late than never I guess. And no, I pay no attention to the myth about the man who owns only one rifle...
One of the best threads in a long time. Thanks to all who contributed.
Hi Jeff hope all is well with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
That is so good. When I first started out unsupervised (10 or so and blessed with 1000 odd acres) my old man would only give me 3 rounds for the .22, no mag, no scope. I thought he was the meanest prick on earth for it......but, by hell you soon learnt how to stalk up real close, use the wind, make your shot count and when I could bring 3 rabbits back all of the time I progressed to 10 rounds and a mag. Very appreciative looking back now. FYI, still have the same Krico .22 that I started out with that the old man bought new in the early 60's. All the pigs as a young fella were with a .303, open sights.Quote:
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Mmmmm.. I remember back in the day going into town every month or so from the farm in the back-blocks of south Waikato. We'd head straight to the gunshop and look over all the goods. No idea what mum did ...
Began also with a Lithgow model 12 - nice wee 22 and I'd like to have another one. Shot first bunny at age of 6 resting rifle on the old man's forearm. Don't know who got the biggest surprise - me, him or the bunny rabbit! Highly addictive - still shootin them 60+ years later..
Greetings Plinky,Quote:
Originally Posted by Plinky
Thanks for your kind words. Although mine was the opening post the credit for the thread must go to those that replied alone.
Regards Grandpamac.
Back when 'grandpamac' was starting out the choice was pretty much .303, .303. and .303 - then someone I hunted with bought a 7x57 - and back then I thought they were the only big game cartridges in the world.
Apart from the old snider that Roy Thorne from three houses down took hunting. Roy never owned a car and he'd stand on the corner by our house with that old gun while he waited for his mate to pick him up.
I'd run out when I saw him there, I was just a kid and he'd let me hold that thing - and occasionally he'd give us some venison which my dad wouldn't eat until mum learned to cook it in bear - then he'd scoff it down like the rest of us.
Roy would be one hundred and eleventy if he was still alive and I remember him fainting when he placed a sewing needle between his bicep and forearm and closed it up. When he opened his arm out that needle had disappeared and it took mum ages to get some pliers on it ..............
Some things you just don't forget ............... :)
started with NZFS in 1975 needed a .222 for the goat work part so bought a Remington 700 BDL in .222 still have it . we were supplied .222 .308 or .270 that was it - the .222 was sako ammo the .270 and .308 came in white packets stamped NZFS - still have some as a souvenir - the meat boys liked their 8x57 and some had 22-250 -magazine capacity was what we looked for on goat work so the Sako vixen that you could load with 7 rounds was the most popular - the Rem 788 in .222 was popular as was the Tikka LA55 but needed to carry spare mags with those if one struck a mob of goats - one culler mate had a BSA CF2 he smashed it around a kanuka after it played up once to often and he left soon after -I used a .308 742 Woodsmaster for years loved it - only misfired once in fact it did not misfire it failed to fully eject round - me mate had a pump Remington in .308 - nice to handle but rattled if you touched fore end -put me right of those - basically for goat work the vixen was king or a BSA Hunter - Parker hale .270 with a Nikko Sterling scope were referred to as loopy specials as they were cheap