Can I still hunt with a 4 shot Browning BAR

Can I still hunt with my BAR 4 shot Browning, only want an "Expert" answer, no guessing.

Yes you can until the new legislation comes through, then it will be banned.

3 Shot BAR ??

With hinged Mag ??

Show me the exact reference (copy paste),please

The exact writings Ive seen are very vague at best.....

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Originally Posted by stug

Yes you can until the new legislation comes through, then it will be banned.

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Mega-10 and Bunning's have been selling a lot of 150mm PVC pipe with 2 blank off ends and tube of silicon
In 1.2 - 1.5m lengths
Wonder why ;)

Sarvo..the way I read it is any semi auto that has more than 5 rounds...the problem I see with our BARs is that they are semi auto,less than 5 rounds,but can be “modified””changed” to carry more than 5 rounds

The hinged mags can be removed and a larger capacity magazine installed....well if that the case,any gun can be modified!

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Originally Posted by Sarvo

3 Shot BAR ??

With hinged Mag ??

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The Order in Council established a new definition of an MSSA, requiring an E cat endorsement to use it
3 Certain semi-automatic firearms declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms
For the purposes of the Arms Act 1983, the following firearms are declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms:
(a)
a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges) that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges:
(b)
a semi-automatic firearm that is a shotgun and that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges.

Browning BAR doesn't fit the definition under (a)

Which means at the moment it is an A-Cat firearm. The new legislation banning all centrefire semi -autos has not been passed yet, so is not law. After it is passed ALL centrefire semi-autos are called a "Prohibited Firearm" there is no exemption for magazine style or size for centrefire semi-auto's.

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Originally Posted by A330driver

Sarvo..the way I read it is any semi auto that has more than 5 rounds...the problem I see with our BARs is that they are semi auto,less than 5 rounds,but can be “modified””changed” to carry more than 5 rounds

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Not sure how - remove the hinged floor plate maybe and adapt (or maybe you can buy) an external mag in
Does this look like something "anyone" would consider modifying
Can you imagine watching this go through the grinder :-(

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Quote”Browning BAR doesn't fit the definition under (a)

...so what am I missing

Sarvo..that’s exactly what I’m talking about,mine is the same,and talking to my gun nut mate,he reckons that setup can be modified to carry a 10 round mag.....that language “the ability to be modified”is where I have an issue

As I understand it,that will be challenged

Quote..Which means at the moment it is an A-Cat firearm. The new legislation banning all centrefire semi -autos has not been passed yet, so is not law. After it is passed ALL centrefire semi-autos are called a "Prohibited Firearm" there is no exemption for magazine style or size for centrefire semi-auto's.

Broncos sports in Tauranga are still selling bars

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Originally Posted by A330driver

As I understand it,that will be challenged

Quote..Which means at the moment it is an A-Cat firearm. The new legislation banning all centrefire semi -autos has not been passed yet, so is not law. After it is passed ALL centrefire semi-autos are called a "Prohibited Firearm" there is no exemption for magazine style or size for centrefire semi-auto's.

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I'm too f/n old to get this confused. Asked an Arms Officer who specialises in imports, he couldn't or wouldn't say.

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Originally Posted by sometimes1

Broncos sports in Tauranga are still selling bars

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Someone told me Gun City was but you needed E cat.

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Originally Posted by Sarvo

Mega-10 and Bunning's have been selling a lot of 150mm PVC pipe with 2 blank off ends and tube of silicon
In 1.2 - 1.5m lengths
Wonder why ;)

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When semi autos got banned in Australia plastic pipe and end caps sold out nationwide apparently

Well mate,as another thread has pointed out,....deliberately worded and designed for confusion.!!!!

Basically,these jackarses have rushed this legislation through so quickly without doing their homework,and now have created a situation they are having a hard time justifying

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Originally Posted by tetawa

I'm too f/n old to get this confused. Asked an Arms Officer who specialises in imports, he couldn't or wouldn't say.

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Sarvo..that’s exactly what I’m talking about,mine is the same,and talking to my gun nut mate,he reckons that setup can be modified to carry a 10 round mag.....that language “the ability to be modified”is where I have an issue

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ANY rifle or shotgun is able to be modified to accept an external magazine -- give me a grinder, some flat steel and a stick welder. A very wide ranging description, which is why it is used, it is designed to ban everything.

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Originally Posted by Sarvo

Mega-10 and Bunning's have been selling a lot of 150mm PVC pipe with 2 blank off ends and tube of silicon
In 1.2 - 1.5m lengths
Wonder why ;)

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every one is going to hand their semis in I keep getting told if I suggest other wise

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Originally Posted by muzza

you guys talking about plastic pipe and end caps need to remember thaat this is a public forum and the Police has access to it . Have that conversation at home with your mates - why advertise that you are even thinking about such things.

And make a submission and ask to speak to it , even if it is only to say you disagree with how this process is being handled.

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I couldn't find the part to tick that said that. It always came up as saying that I didn't not want to make an oral submission

A lee Enfield can be modified to become semi
Where does this idiocy end

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Originally Posted by muzza

you guys talking about plastic pipe and end caps need to remember thaat this is a public forum and the Police has access to it . Have that conversation at home with your mates - why advertise that you are even thinking about such things.

And make a submission and ask to speak to it , even if it is only to say you disagree with how this process is being handled.

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I don't think the pipe and end caps is anything new to the police they aren't that stupid

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Originally Posted by northdude

I don't think the pipe and end caps is anything new to the police they aren't that stupid

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Its not necessary anyway.
The Police don't seem to know my address even after I've told them I've moved and they've come and checked my safe.

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Originally Posted by stug

Yes you can until the new legislation comes through, then it will be banned.

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although i think stug is a dick, he is correct......it "could" accept a larger mag so its E-cat. (i gave up a woodsman auto because it could take a larger mag and was outlawed).

yeah big boy; i see what you are saying reign it in.

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Originally Posted by sometimes1

Broncos sports in Tauranga are still selling bars

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no they wont.

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Originally Posted by northdude

I don't think the pipe and end caps is anything new to the police they aren't that stupid

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i'm willing to bet on that! are you willing to place odds?

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Originally Posted by GDMP

It is ridiculous to ban the Bar and tube mag centerfires like the old Ruger .44's,they are expressly designed for hunting use and are not military anything.....just small capacity hunting rifles no more or less dangerous than any other centerfire magazine rifle.Which is exactly what I stated in my submission.Hopefully if enough other people have similar thoughts then maybe an exemption can somehow be carved out for them....

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you are apply logic to an emotional liberal argument.....so either you are right wing and for hate speech or you are for killing people.........that's what the govt thinks.......not like you are going to vote liberal

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Originally Posted by nowool

i'm willing to bet on that! are you willing to place odds?

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Yea id put whatever you want to bet on it what would you like me to do ask a police officer if hes got any idea why someone would be buying large dia pipe and end caps about the length of a firearm when theres a firearms ban on

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Originally Posted by Bill999

A lee Enfield can be modified to become semi
Where does this idiocy end

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and some skilled guys doing the mad minute can cycle the bolt that quickly on there lees, the rate of fire is not far behind a semi!

@GDMP it could be argued that because it is still called a BAR, that it is in fact a military style rifle. Browning have taken a military designed rifle and turned it into a recreational hunting rifle. Browning Automatic Rifle is what the military called it, yes it has been redesigned. It still carries it's military name. That in itself will be it's down fall. Along with being a semi.

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Originally Posted by stug

....The new legislation banning all centrefire semi -autos has not been passed yet, so is not law. After it is passed ALL centrefire semi-autos are called a "Prohibited Firearm" there is no exemption for magazine style or size for centrefire semi-auto's.

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stug - I've been away hunting stags so I'm missing something here, so could you please enlighten me. What new legislation banning all centrefire semi -autos are you referring to? I've only seen reference to military style semi-autos or centrefire semi-autos that can be modified to take higher capacity mags than 5 cartridges. The hunting BAR can't accept a larger mag unless the rifle itself is extensively modified and even then I've never seen nor heard of a larger capacity mag being available for it.

All semi auto centrefire are now prohibited. There is no magazine capacity limit for centrefire.

Also when the BAR becomes prohibited the magazine box will become a prohibited part. Pretty sure these are the same as ALL Browning bolt action rifles. Therefore the magazine boxes of ALL Browning bolt action rifles will be prohibited, unless it is a calibre group that a BAR is not made for.

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Originally Posted by stug

All semi auto centrefire are now prohibited. There is no magazine capacity limit for centrefire. ...

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I just looked up the police website and it says:

"a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges) that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges."

The BAR hunting rifle doesn't have a detachable magazine. Not saying it can't be modified to take one.

You need to check the new legislation for the definition of a prohibited weapon. The Police website info is correct for the law at the moment, but will be incorrect when the legislation is passed

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Originally Posted by stug

All semi auto centrefire are now prohibited. There is no magazine capacity limit for centrefire.

Also when the BAR becomes prohibited the magazine box will become a prohibited part. Pretty sure these are the same as ALL Browning bolt action rifles. Therefore the magazine boxes of ALL Browning bolt action rifles will be prohibited, unless it is a calibre group that a BAR is not made for.

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Bloody hell If that is the case my Maral will be affected to!

I just been told BAR can have a 10 shot mag so they will be MSSA under current Order In Council.

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Originally Posted by stug

You need to check the new legislation for the definition of a prohibited weapon. The Police website info is correct for the law at the moment, but will be incorrect when the legislation is passed

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Okay, thanks for that stug. I presume this is the legislation you're referring to.

Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill 125-1 (2019), Government Bill 5 New sections 2A to 2D inserted – New Zealand Legislation

Are you sure there are bigger mags for X bolt, or AB3? Being of the design they are it doesn't seem the mag box would accept any other type of magazine? Brownings webpage makes no mention of them. Nor do I get results for aftermarket parts anywhere. The mag box of the A bolt I am unsure about though?

Shit does that mean any of the Howas or 700s are in trouble then?

Given the vast amount of aftermarket conversion kits available.

Up until Monday, I was feeling lucky for me, gutted for those affected. Now possibly 3 firearms lighter. I was just starting to develop a soft spot for my A Bolt.
Christ, where will it end, and Im wondering what will it really cost now that all these other safe firearms are being caught up by having a sharing part with other safe firearms. If only they werent wearing that nasty black dress and high heels.....