Thread: a cat endorsed onto your e cat

I recently have put my a cat nea15 onto my e endorsement , my reason given was I require a magazine that is capable of holding more than 7 rounds to compete in military/service rifle shoots. Was no drama really and got the blue app form and submitted that and received the pink permit to procure shortly after.
Took the firearm into local police station along with paper work for the serial number to be recorded.
Two weeks later im waiting for conformation in the mail? So I ring arms office and yep that's been received and recorded, I ask do I receive any sort of conformation that the paper work is all in order, reply was we can send you a copy, next day copy arrives SWEET.
Has anyone else been down this path, I was all new to the process and wasn't sure if it would even happen, Im in the northland district.

Originally Posted by foxhound

I recently have put my a cat nea15 onto my e endorsement , my reason given was I require a magazine that is capable of holding more than 7 rounds to compete in military/service rifle shoots. Was no drama really and got the blue app form and submitted that and received the pink permit to procure shortly after.
Took the firearm into local police station along with paper work for the serial number to be recorded.
Two weeks later im waiting for conformation in the mail? So I ring arms office and yep that's been received and recorded, I ask do I receive any sort of conformation that the paper work is all in order, reply was we can send you a copy, next day copy arrives SWEET.
Has anyone else been down this path, I was all new to the process and wasn't sure if it would even happen, Im in the northland district.

Yep

It's quite an easy simple no fuss process if you already have an E endorsement.

I have done this with two .22cal firearms now, one is a Stirling M1600 the other is an Armi Jager AP74.

Cheers
Pete

Meanwhile nobody else can do this.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Meanwhile nobody else can do this.

Are you meaning some locations will and some wont Beavis ? Weird but expected if that's true.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Meanwhile nobody else can do this.

Yes they can...

I know people who have tried in different districts and been told categorically no

Got 2 in the safe that were A cats within the last 12 months

Originally Posted by Spanners

Got 2 in the safe that were A cats within the last 12 months

Sweet. FletchNZ attempted this about this time last year. PNHQ refused because it would "set a precedent" for everyone else. It would be great if this sillyness has got the boot.

Beavis

I've never had difficulties transferring A cat to E cat here in Hawkes Bay, although I would imagine it would be more difficult, but not impossible to transfer from Ecat to Acat.

Cheers
Pete

As of 19 June 2013, there is no longer a requirement to obtain a permit to procure to re-manufacture / convert a semi-automatic firearm into MSSA configuration. This arises from a Court case taken by Richard Lincoln on behalf of the civilian gun owners community.

The process now is that you apply for an endorsement (an endorsement is specific to a particular firearm; not a type of firearm.) You need to specify: make, model, calibre and serial number on the endorsement application.

There is no longer a requirement to install security precautions before your endorsement is issued. The requirement now is that you need the security precautions installed, inspected and approved before you take possession of an MSSA (i.e before you re-manufacture your existing semi.)

Once you have completed the assembly of the new MSSA, you need to advise police that the MSSA is completed.

Note that after December 12, 2013 an MSSA is no longer deemed an MSSA because it is not kept AT ALL TIMES in sporting configuration. It will be possible after that date to convert between MSSA / non-MSSA to use the firearm for other purposes, loan it to an A-Cat licence holder, etc, etc.

Kind regards
National Shooters Association

Originally Posted by NSA

As of 19 June 2013, there is no longer a requirement to obtain a permit to procure to re-manufacture / convert a semi-automatic firearm into MSSA configuration. This arises from a Court case taken by Richard Lincoln on behalf of the civilian gun owners community.

The process now is that you apply for an endorsement (an endorsement is specific to a particular firearm; not a type of firearm.) You need to specify: make, model, calibre and serial number on the endorsement application.

There is no longer a requirement to install security precautions before your endorsement is issued. The requirement now is that you need the security precautions installed, inspected and approved before you take possession of an MSSA (i.e before you re-manufacture your existing semi.)

Once you have completed the assembly of the new MSSA, you need to advise police that the MSSA is completed.

Note that after December 12, 2013 an MSSA is no longer deemed an MSSA because it is not kept AT ALL TIMES in sporting configuration. It will be possible after that date to convert between MSSA / non-MSSA to use the firearm for other purposes, loan it to an A-Cat licence holder, etc, etc.

Kind regards
National Shooters Association

Hi and welcome to the forum NSA.

A couple of questions regarding this.......
Does this mean for the likes of those of us with A-CAT AR's, that they wont need to go through everything to get an E-CAT endorsement?
We can get an endorsement to cover the rifle(s) we already have?

Originally Posted by cambo

Hi and welcome to the forum NSA.

A couple of questions regarding this.......
Does this mean for the likes of those of us with A-CAT AR's, that they wont need to go through everything to get an E-CAT endorsement?
We can get an endorsement to cover the rifle(s) we already have?

If you own a semi-auto AR15 that is not classified as a MSSA because of it's features, and you want to use it in MSSA configuration: i.e use normal capacity magazines instead of restricted capacity magazines, you would need to apply for an endorsement for each AR15 that you want to regularise as an MSSA.

Sounding like a broken record but again........... there is no such thing as an "E" endorsement or an "A Cat" Endorsements are for firearms.

For those who persist with this alphabet thing.... see here for an explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJGEmZivZ8

But you can't buy an E cat firearm unless you have an E cat endorsement? If the letter E belongs to the firearm how does a normal non endorsed owner obtain that firearm if there is no such thing as an endorsed owner?

How does this apply to Letters 'B' and 'C'. Can I now convert an A to full auto and have it put on a C?

As a dealer how do I convert an A firearm to an E. do I wave a magic wand and say ' I now pronounce you E' and from that point on it is an E. or do apply to police to convert an A to an E. what form should I use.

Does the E and its relevant conditions travel with the firearm when it's sold. For example I have no interest in owning a E that can't be used for hunting. If thes conditions travel with the gun then some guns are going to be worth more than others based on there E conditions?

I'm still having trouble separating the E that applies to the user vs The E that applies to the gun.

Originally Posted by Digit

But you can't buy an E cat firearm unless you have an E cat endorsement? If the letter E belongs to the firearm how does a normal non endorsed owner obtain that firearm if there is no such thing as an endorsed owner?

How does this apply to Letters 'B' and 'C'. Can I now convert an A to full auto and have it put on a C?

As a dealer how do I convert an A firearm to an E. do I wave a magic wand and say ' I now pronounce you E' and from that point on it is an E. or do apply to police to convert an A to an E. what form should I use.

Does the E and its relevant conditions travel with the firearm when it's sold. For example I have no interest in owning a E that can't be used for hunting. If thes conditions travel with the gun then some guns are going to be worth more than others based on there E conditions?

I'm still having trouble separating the E that applies to the user vs The E that applies to the gun.

There's no such thing as an "E Cat" If you want to buy a firearm that attracts an endorsement, then you apply for an endorsement for the (particular individual) firearm you want to buy. There are no letters involved. For example You see a .38 police special pistol S/N 007007. So you go to police and obtain an endorsement for a .38 police special s/n 007007. That's very simply and easy to understand? Letters of the alphabet having nothing to do with it.

Can you covert an A to full auto ? Your question is actually: can you can re manufacture any firearm to full auto? Yes provided you first obtain an endorsement for it. The endorsement will be for the firearm that is classified as a restricted weapon (again there is no such a thing as a "C".)

As a dealer you are free to manufacture any type of firearm without more or further. To sell what you manufacture, the buyer needs an endorsement for, and a permit to procure for, that PARTICULAR firearm.

The endorsement is annexed to the firearm but 'endorsed' on the holders firearms licence. i.e the endorsement is linked to the gun and the firearms licence. If you sell an endorsed firearm, the new owner obtains a fresh endorsement linking the gun to his or her licence. The previous endorsement (yours) is revoked once the P2P is returned to the arms office.

There is a two way relationship between an endorsement

[GUN] <----------endorsement------------->[LICENCE]

That ought to help how to understand it.

Originally Posted by NSA

As of 19 June 2013, there is no longer a requirement to obtain a permit to procure to re-manufacture / convert a semi-automatic firearm into MSSA configuration. This arises from a Court case taken by Richard Lincoln on behalf of the civilian gun owners community.

The process now is that you apply for an endorsement (an endorsement is specific to a particular firearm; not a type of firearm.) You need to specify: make, model, calibre and serial number on the endorsement application.

There is no longer a requirement to install security precautions before your endorsement is issued. The requirement now is that you need the security precautions installed, inspected and approved before you take possession of an MSSA (i.e before you re-manufacture your existing semi.)

Once you have completed the assembly of the new MSSA, you need to advise police that the MSSA is completed.

Note that after December 12, 2013 an MSSA is no longer deemed an MSSA because it is not kept AT ALL TIMES in sporting configuration. It will be possible after that date to convert between MSSA / non-MSSA to use the firearm for other purposes, loan it to an A-Cat licence holder, etc, etc.

Kind regards
National Shooters Association

That statement is sure to get a lot of replies, and questions . How does it affect changing a calibre on an ar buy changing the upper to say 300blk.