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accuracy wise, can/are cheap hunting actions be just as accurate as expensive actions? does most of your accuracy come from things other than the action?
e.g is a lapped and trued howa action going to have the same accuracy potential as a lapped and trued sako kimber cz win 70 etc? if you added match barrel on either and bed/float, will it shoot the same or very similar?
Two of the most popular actions for custom LR rigs on US forums are the Rem 700 and Savage 110, so I guess thats a yes - though I'm sure some have more/less potential than others.
Action stiffness is an important aspect (weakened by mag cutouts) along with the capability of having a decent trigger (as fitted and able to be fine tuned or an aftermarket). Along with the ability to be easily well bedded. Some actions are horrors for bedding. Then there are other issues like preferably having a short lock time. Good gas handling from ruptures also is a consideration although doesn't affect accuracy just your ability to see after such an event. Once you have the good basic action (and Rems are OK not just Yankee home grown hype) you can then go ahead and spend money on blueprinting it if needed. Although in some cases you can spend more on blueprinting than just buying a custom action straight up. I believe the Howa is solid OK action but have no personal experience with them.
I easily hit steel out to 750 meters (not yards) with my $600 Husqvarna, so no you don't need expensive rifles. I expect most off the shelf rifles are easily capable of hitting targets at 1000 yards.
Good on yer mate. You hang on to that Husky. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildman
sakos are expensive to true, 3 lugs and complecated. remmys are simple and the road most travel, so fimiliar for the gunsmiths so quick therfore cheep
howa would also be a common road
As far as I understand the deal with going remington is the end weight is lighter than most customs,
just bear in mind that 2k spent on a remington action dosent make it a action worth 2.5k so kiss the money goodbye as you spend it.
custom actions for the same money spent have better resale value, and are more sought after so easier to sell
I think I will. I have a bad habit of buying things that its not worth selling:(Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
Dave, What I am trying to say is dont get hung up accuracy too much, (unless you're target shooting) be realistic about what youare trying to achive....
What do you want an accurate rifle for?
Nothing wrong with the Howa action, same as a Weatherby Vanguard and I think it is based on a Sako design (could be wrong?), Have seen many Howas straight out the box shoot as well as a custom rifle and the new ones have fantastic adjustable triggers (My .223s is as good if not better than the timney on my 7mmRM!)
Apparently they are becoming increasingly popular for project rifles over in the States.
Depends what you want to achieve, a good full built will shoot good with any loads an tiny holes with the right load, they take less playing with from the word in an you get just what you want not something you live with out of the box.
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why do i want an accurate rifle? is that a trick question>? haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildman
just curious as to how important the action plays in the scheme of things as you can get cheap rifles now that are crazy accurate and expensive ones that are not, plus everything in between. i went down the range the other day and the club im at in oz was having a target shoot comp at 200 yards. the guys had serious benchrest setups and custom actions etc and my little howa 1500 22-250 roo shooting gun outshot the large majority of them. i was thinking maybe that the cheap actions had the accuracy potential to match the expensive or custom actions if you got a good barrel, and that itd be something different to build a target rig on as opposed to the tricked up r700 that everyone has (including me) . or that ozzies are cock eyed shots haha
Howa's are great!!
I was chatting with a mate of mine who's over in Oz, he reckons he was out shooting bazillion dollar .300WSM customs with his trusty old .260, and causing some pained posteriors in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARdave
I think the main thing to remember is that no matter the action, no matter the amount of that has been spent on it, you can't buy just being a good shot.
My Howa shoots 1/4" give or take depending on the load for three shots at a hundy. Minimal trueing was required (I think) by Abe too. That's enough accuracy for me.
I have a trued Howa action but have not shot it in its new state. It shot well before the truing so I guess it'll be better?
The Howa action is apparently based on the Sako Forester.
Why bother with the hassle and price of a fancy schmancy custom action?
Only bother with a custom action , IF it brings something special to the table , my customs are all , very meaty , and have special features not found in std factory actions , ie Surgeons SA/XL & Badger 2008s , just do your homework as to want you want in action , or what you want it to do .
Simple way to get around action stiffness ( ie lite sporter actions ) , just use a heavy barrel and use a barrel block , ie float the action , easy .
Later Chris
+1,Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisF
I think far too many people don't really know what they want/need when they make a custom, so may end up putting together a bag full of ill-conceived and very expensive parts that don't necessarily add up to a great rifle at the end of it. I personally think you have to figure out the use and then work backwards, i.e. no point having a Surgeon Action with a 30'' straight profile barrel, a heavy chassis stock and a NF scope if you want a hunting rifle?
kj
I also believe there is too much emphasis on gear, with some believing they can compensate for time behind the butt via a Visa card. I can personally attest to that. Don't get me wrong, nice gear certainly helps but nothing is as good as putting lead down range.
While I agree that you do not need an expensive rifle to be able to shoot well , I DO believe their is no cheap way to have optics that preform well at LR , you can get good 2nd hand quality glass , but thats as low as it go's for ME .
I did not start OFF shooting with Benders , wish I did , I like most have had to learn the hard way , ie buying less than ideal scopes ( with in what i could afford at the time ), HOPING they worked , virtually all did not , I had , turret housing come loose , detached reticles , knobs that did not adjust corretcly . parallex fail , and scopes that did not zero long .
So to me , yeap you can get a Rem700 for a 1k , drop a new barrel on her for another k , and a glass stock for another K , thats 3k bare rifle , BUT using a 1k scope , thats going to be the BIG compromise , the best I could do for 1k , would be a 2nd hand MK4 and to thats about the minimum , unless you like wasting time and money .
I like the heavy barreled bolt actions , and put Off buying the rifle , I really wanted for 10yrs ( AI AW ) , Opps , going thru a variety of lesser rifles ( some of them rather expensive lesser rifle s ) , just like I did with the scopes , to me that was 10 wasted yrs , should have bitten the bullet and brought one 10 yrs ago , I have used a lot of different rifles over the yrs , But I am sorry to say nothing really compares to the AI rifles , not even close .
And when I talk about an AI , its the whole thing , and not one single thing like accuracy .
The AIs are basically , a very rugged target rifle , that is also accurate and a mag feed repeater , and thats the hard thing to do .
I however , drive a car that most would not be seen dead in , no 50k cars for me , not even a 1/10 of that ( more like a 1/20 , opps ) , and thats the only way I have been able to afford an AI , that and noodles .
ANd not all shooters with high end gear are bad shooters , Nik who shoot that great small group at 1000yds recently , has some pretty high end rifles and scopes , Opps , he also has a AI AWSM 338LM as well as his tgt rifles etc .
What should be the emphasis is on solid reliable gear .
Later Chris
@the kid Who can true a howa action in NZ?