Bought the Servo stock this arfo, had a look at the Speer, the Servo looks and feels heaps better.Quote:
Originally Posted by NZ32
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Bought the Servo stock this arfo, had a look at the Speer, the Servo looks and feels heaps better.Quote:
Originally Posted by NZ32
My Spear has just arrived. I chose another direction any one want 1 it's on tardme. Search ar15 stock Spear Mag
Cheers
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Just fitted the Spear from Digit. It's.... OK. I'm have to keep telling myself that it's not the Spear Stock's fault that I won't be allowed to use a PRS.
Was a little dissapointed in the looks department - the pics taken by Spear must have been done by the same guy who does the McDonalds photo's on the menu board. It does feel very light and plasticy - and there are very noticable swirly scratches on both sides of the middle arm section that looks like they didn't do a very good job polishing the plastic smooth. Those marks on the stock are real, as opposed to the oily filgerprint marks on the reciever.
Want to do the same as ishoot and meat up the grip with some molded rubber - I think that'll help the feel of it a lot.
Still, for 2/3rds of the price of the Servo, I'll give it a go!
Dissapointed in the looks department? Are you one of those mirror commandos or are you going to actually go out and shoot the damn thing!?
I only paid $125 for my Spear through Spiker, so for that $ I'm happy.
I reckon for the purpose the spear mags stock is fine, but much better buying at the group buy price. Take into consideration that it is a first gen product, and the dies for moulding these cost a fortune, so they have to recoup those costs. I think they did a much better job with the stocks than they did with the mags. Hopefully Magpul do a "ban compliant" stock.
The definition on Non Pistol Grip as illustrated is almost beyond comprehension.
As I see it, all three illustrations show a pistol grip, allowing you to hold the rifle with one hand and operate it like a pistol.
The two "compliant" illustrations show a pistol grip integrated into the butt stock.
What is the intent of the law other than some politicians selling their souls to some minority interest group for some more votes.
http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...let-form-f.pdf
Well mine arrived yesterday, so bit the bullet and put it on...
As someone else said, pistol grip is a bit thin but it looks good, but not as good as the original Magpul... :(
I did have a GC one, the first one was broken before i touched it, the second was also cracked, the third cracked, and finally the fourth one was not cracked and I sold it!... (...it was free with the rifle).
It had a nice look and feel, but the thumbhole joint to the grip is a bit suspect... probably ok once it is all fitted, but very fragile before hand...
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:yuush: ...by by pistol grip :( ...hope this law gets overturned when common sense prevails...
[ps. Mag is in just for the photo]
trick questionQuote:
Originally Posted by monkeyboy
I don't want to alarm you, but that bayonet lug looks quite functional, so you may be illegally in possession of an MSSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunzter
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Originally Posted by grunzter
Is that a bayonet lug? Are you some kind of terrorist? Why can't you just tape a knife to your gun and stab someone legally like the rest of us?
I'm going to sound really dumb now, but shoudl that not be there!
I new about the magazine capacity, flash hiders, pistol grips, but this... I had better go read my arms code again.
If this is the case do i need to replace this gas block?? The rifle was only bought last November...
Yes, a bayonet lug makes your rifle an MSSA.
You could just mill it off or replace the gas block.
Dremel would be a good option.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunzter
What brand is the gun and where'd you buy it?
oky doky, man that sucks...
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Lug gone!
..any good AR armourers in Auckland that could maybe help... :(
Grant
...yip, its in the old arms code, must be my eyes..., so this tells me i was actually sold a MSSA with and A-cat license, O for awesome!
Where'd you buy it from? Probably worth telling them
New Zealand's favorite :p , GC Auckland :oh noes:
...its a Bushmaster.
The lug is not functional, but best to nip a bit more off, as you'll get different opinions form different AOs.
Mine was the same. Passed by Hamilton, bit sussed according to Auckland.
Hacksaw and file, problem resolved.
Thanks Ant, and Gimp, glad you spotted it now...Quote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
Once decapitated, whats the best thing for finishing the steel to prevent rust... :)
[Sorry to hijack this thread, willbe back on topic shortly :)]
I just cold blued mine.
Received my Windham SRC last week, it has been fitted with one of these: AR-15 Tac Carbon Systems A Cat Stock | Trade Me
I fucking hate it. Grip slopes too much, making it hard to hit mag release and safety, and it's a little too chunky for my liking, stock may suit something you shoot off a bench better.
The rifle was originally fitted with a commercial-spec buffer tube, trying to figure out what's on there now underneath this things so I can buy something else. Will probably end up importing a mil-spec carbine buffer tube, not keen on an ATI anything which is all that seems to be around here.
Actually are all tube internal diameters the same? If buffers etc are all the same I could just buy the tube itself.
Buffers are all the same (diameter - carbine and rifle buffers are different lengths/weights and don't interchange without changing tubes and springs). that stock is the biggest piece of shit there is. Except maybe the $650 carbon fibre one that doesn't even come with a buttplate
It will be an A2 tube, which is longer than a carbine tube. You dont want to use your rifle length buffer in a carbine length tube, which is what i think you are implying you want to do. If you think about it hard enough you will figure out why...
Dude you questioned my credibility you know nothing about me same ad I about you but your comment here makes you look like you have f all It looks bad it felt bad delivery was 8 or so weeks late with no correspondence unless you went looking for it . Folks make their opinions based on how they are treated ,how product looks ( this looks nothing like advertising pics ). Sorry but it's crap bro and no I don't take a mirror with me either and suspect neither does Grue. Fitted it and it just did n t do any thing for me plus the rubber thing fell off easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by Towely
be hard to be worse than the mags since they're basically non-functional in every gun I've tried them in, for the first genQuote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Good to know about the buffers for future shenanigans. The fit and the build of the stock seem ok don't get me wrong, but it comes across like the person that designed it never bothered to pick up and use the rifle once they'd fitted this stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
So you're saying that this stock will have an A2 tube+buffer+spring+whatever else goes in there under it, instead of the carbine setup it had when it left the factory? Which comes across to me as a less than ideal situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towely
see my edit re: buffers above
rifle/carbine systems will function equally reliably - rifle systems have a softer spring though and spread the impulse of the reciprocating mass of the bcg and buffer over longer time so are "softer" shooting. but don't work with a carbine stock obviously.
Yeah I'm just deciding whether or not I should be upset that it's been changed by the importer to something other than a factory equivalent. I mean I can get a rifle length mil-spec stock if that's what matches the installed it's not a big deal, it's whether this new tube will adversely affect performance. I'm also looking at a suppressor in the near future, is a rifle length tube gonna matter much? 16 inch barrel, carbine gas system.
I have to agree with AzumitH, this looks errrr....
An old motorsport saying is "Its not how good you race, but its how good you look racing...":D
To me our pride & joys (thats our guns, not our kids), should be both functional and look good, but no doubt for many its also a tool, so functional is all it needs to be.
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Oh, i just had a good look at my 'lug' and do apologize to GC but they did actually chop most of the bits off the lug and cold-blued it.
So now its just a blob below the gas block...
Personally I think Spearmags does a functional job at good price. It has forced the others to reduce their exorbitant prices to compete. Does the job as advertised and aesthetically OK.
Good on them. Can comment on their Mags as don't have any but they have always been excellent to deal with.
I have 3 of their 30 round gen 1 mags and have had no trouble with them running in my NEA15. The only thing that is really a non issue is that when inserting a empty mag then cocking the action sometimes the bolt hold open isn't tripped but when firing live rounds it has always held the bolt back on the last round. I think I was the first NZ customer to receive the first run of the spear mags, and on my next purchase I received a free 30 rounder for my patience. Thanks for that Terry @ spear mags.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
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Originally Posted by AzumitH
nah a rifle or carbine length buffer system will be equally reliable. There's no option for a carbine buffer system with a thumbhole stock.
It's great to have a NZ business forcing competition. They have a busy design team with more products on the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
The delays are entirely our fault (nzar15.com) not Spear Mags. We weren't comfortable sending out the stocks without a suitable stock screw. In hindsight we should have contacted every customer and let them know the reasons for delays. We did our best on this at the time with multiple threads on 3 forums describing the delays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy
In the meantime you still have 2.5 months to enjoy your AR with its non mil spec pistol grip.
I think it's important to recognise the work involved in bringing a new stock to the market. As far as I'm concerned spear mags have done an excellent job in providing kiwis an alternative at a great price point.
We approached spear mags late last year when the original discussions we had with broncos indicated they were not up to the volume that would be required for the nz market. Wyndham guns have the bronco stock mentioned in this thread. Our design brief first to broncos then to spear mags was an H&K USC style stock. Spear mags filled the design brief perfectly and at a significantly lower price. Spear mags then took on the huge investment to manufacture these stocks. It costs a small mortgage just to manufacture a single design for our market. Cost recovery doesn't occur until a shit load are sold.
Spear mags is a kiwi company with superb design skills and a growing product range that we will be helping ensure has a solid future.
It would be difficult to manufacture a thumbhole stock for a carbine buffer tube. Magpul did a pretty good job with their fixed length MOE carbine stock but it is a multi piece design that includes unique metal parts to make the fastening work in the absence of an A2 style stock screw. I'm guessing that the shortest thumbhole design on the market is the servo version.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
I see Reloaders do the Servo rifle length stock, so I'll grab one of those and an ergo grip off of NZAR15. It'll be on E endorsement anyways so I've no need to dick around with this rubbish can't-reach-the-safety-or-mag-release-properly abortion of a stock.
get a carbine buffer system and a collapsible stock, if it's on E.
The buffer systems aren't specific to gas systems. You can have either buffer system on whatever gas system. Unless you want adjustability or shorter stock length, there is really no reason to switch to carbine. The rifle system has smoother recoil and is more reliable. It’s also better for suppressor use.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzumitH
