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Having trouble getting a lever action to shoot well and the inside of the barrel looks like a sewer pipe,scrubbed it with a copper brush and some oil ,also tried scrubbing with some autosol but still no luck with accuracy,any tips on the best way to clean it up?thanks.
The crown is where i would look at ;)
I used a foam cleaner worked well think it was called Gunslick, Sweets works pretty good on copper Kroil is another good product gets under the fouling and lifts it up
Copper is unlikely to be a problem, @Huk has outlined the main cause of "shoots like shit" issues. Pitting from rust especially at the muzzle could be it.
It may help to show a target, or describe the groups as well.
It sounds fucked, so scrub with scotch bright patches, or even fire lap. Can't do any harm at this stage. If that doesn't work re-barrel. You could re-crown but probably just waisting money.
Had the crown done but doesn’t seem to have made much difference.how do you fire lap?
Best group I can get is 4in @ 40 m,nice triangle group tho,then as Powder increased so did the group size up till 33g 2206h gave about 8in group,still nice triangle shape tho!29g of Powder was the best.
What is it
A few questions
Are the holes in the target round or slightly oval?
Have you slugged the barrel (run a lead plug through it) and measrured it and measured freebore ( push a projectile in from the breech end till it engages the rifling then measure the distance to the muzzle with a cleaning rod, tap the bullet out and chamber a preferably dummy round then remeasure. The difference is the freebore)?
That might show whats up
Fire lapping is shooting either a plug of valve grinding compound or a lead slug rolled in the stuff. Its great for removing stuff and getting a shiny bore but does not a lot for barrel life and wont remove pitting.
You can treat with acid to remove rust etc, I have some at home but cannot remember the name of it. Brings them up a treat! I find the name
Winchester model 94 in 30-30,holes are round so no keyholing,not slugged and being a lever action it’s hard to check the free bore,.
Ha ha, change the sights, I couldnt hit a flock of barns at 40 yards with mine, got a lyman 66 and it now does 2moa. Not saying thats true for your one but may be worth considering.
citric acid maybe?
Not looking to keep throwing money at it at the moment,have already had crown done, stripped the old varnish off and oiled the stock,bedded the rear of the action so everything is tight,been thru 2 different box’s of factory loads at $40 a box and bought a set of dies,loaded a couple dozen different loads and still no luck,have a hi viz front sight fitted too.maybe it’s time to move it on and just use the .44,action is smooth and everything is nice and tight on the 30-30 though and it is such a nice fitting gun..
plug muzzle end with likes of tissue paper and spray crc in from action end till you cant get any more in...muzzle down over night then try scrubbing it out again....be carefull to keep rope to centre of bore and dont rub on edge as this stuffs crown/accuracy real quick.
you can use rod to clean just slip bare rod in and thread brush in at action then pull it back out....bore snakes are just too easy .
Or Mitch Maxberry has a heap of ex target 30 cal barrels ranging from good to excellent he can re chamber. Did my Savage 99 in 300 Savage for bugger all.
You could try electrolysis which would leave a clean bore without any copper or powder residue or lead or rust in the pits, so it would copper-up within a few shots anyway. Best idea is nor-west's, an ex-target barrel, slimmed down and trimmed-up; it would possibly be a more accurate rifle than when it was new.
Will give this Mitch maxbury guy a call tomorrow and see what he says about a rebarrel job,sounds like the best solution.
Try some Phosphoric acid for rust removal, Guggle it!:D
Phosphoric might work but the inside of the barrel will be parkerised and that isnt shiny.
Sell it to a pig hunter, the accuracies way better than what they usually require so it could be marketed as a target pig gun.
Yep but you can repolish it with FMJ projectiles and brasso:ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
Dont use abrasives like Autosol or brasso as mentioned in earlier posts. For rust you could try something like this...SCA RUST CONVERTER - 500mL - Supercheap AutoQuote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
What projectiles are you using. I've battled with hornday's fouling my chrome moloy barrels for the last few years until I tried other brands and problem went away. Thought it was a bad barrel until I got a second rifle and same problem. Gun slick foam has been great and takes the carbon out to. I still use hornadys but the gun slick takes care of the fouling although if I've fired a few more rounds than usual I need to do it a couple of times and give it plenty of time to work, 30-40mins each time
You need abrasives to get a decent change. It's pitted shooting a 4 inch group at 40 meters. it's fucked anyway, it won't get worse from a little scrubbing. And if it does you loose a 4 inch group at 40m. Just re-barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
Tried fiocchi factory ,Winchester factory and hornady interlock round nose in my reloads,all 150g.might try some heavier pills one day..over the lack of accuracy for mow so back in the safe it goes.might flick it on and just use the ruger 77/44 for the wet weather hunts,it has open sights and my reloads shoot just over 1in at 50m.
@The bomb,
Interesting problem. Electrolysis will dissolve everything usual out, and the rust. How did the bore slugging go?
Been using a chemical called Metal Rescue for some work stuff, certainly dissolves rust, you can get it in Bunnings for about $50,
If it's as bad as you say I'd be tempted to give it a try,
Not tried slugging the barrel.what do I use and what does it tell you?
Anyone in the market for a do upproject?
Have a look at my post on page 1 it tells you how, if you cant get a lead slug the right size freebore measurement may do the trick as its easier to do with a lever action. It will tell you how badly worn the throat is.Quote:
Originally Posted by The bomb
Have a look at my post on page 1 it tells you how, if you cant get a lead slug the right size freebore measurement may do the trick as its easier to do with a lever action. It will tell you how badly worn the throat is.Quote:
Originally Posted by The bomb
@The bombQuote:
Originally Posted by The bomb
Time for a photo perhaps?
Whaaat!?! Checked out Lyman 66 sights. Check out the elfunsafety warning at the bottom of the page:
https://www.lymanproducts.com/brands...ep-sights.html
Give it the hell scrub with a bronze bore brush and some sweets
Then after that clean all sweets out i use meths
Sweets will eat barrels so make sure you get it out
Then if it’s still bad plug one end of the barrel and fill the barrel with hopies no 9
And leave it for a few days
Then another hell scrubbing before wiping out
That should get it as clean as it’s gonna get
You are wasting time and effort trying to polish a turd, rebarrel it as others suggested.
Yes that’s an option however I reckon if you gave it a good scurb then sluged it to determine proper bore size
It may not be.308 any more then if it needed a larger bullet like .310 or something it may just shoot ok
Us black powder shooters are always trying to get old Worn barrels shooting as we are into old guns but more often than not the barrels are Poked
At the end of the day for what it is a30-30 its a short range bush gun and it doesn’t need to shoot bung holes just get it shooting as good as you can and as long as you can keep it under 4inchs or so at 100 just use the fucker
Can get 4in at 50��
Would take what I paid for it before I stripped and oiled the stock,bebbed the rear of the action and had the crown done.$345.00