Clip on Night Vision

Can anyone help explain the different models of clip on NV that are available on the market?
I see Sytong and Pard are the main two brands but both have lot's of different models that I can't really tell what the differences are.

I hated the idea of adding a butt spacer so thought that a dedicated NV scope would be the way to go, but if I don't need to do that then I like the idea of being able to use a single unit on my 22, 17hmr and 223.

What I do know is:
Can get range finding and non range finding models.
850nm vs 940nm is the wavelength of IR "light" with pros and cons each way
Pard 007A was the original model which needed a butt spacer of some sort to get behind it properly, the 007S is 45mm shorter that you don't need the butt spacer.

How do they Sytong models (HT-66, -77, -88) and the Pard 007SP compare?

I'm leaning towards the Pard 007S at the moment but see 55six has some good pricing on the HT-77 LRF which sounds appealiing but I can't tell if Id need a butt spacer or not.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

You may need spacer, if using the pard having a parallax adjustable scope is best some high end scope don’t allow much ir light in so can give poor images, the pard can be used in the day time aswell if that’s any use

get a nv/day scope and dont worry about clip ons
i have a mint rossi 22mag with sytong 66 scope all unused/unfired if you want it for 1500 plus delivery

Im just having a play with this type of thing, so Im definatley no expert but I do have one. Mines a ht66, having never been into this before I have nothing else in real life to compare it to. I dont need a spacer to use this one and it can be used in day mode or night mode. It can record shots and can link to a phone or tablet so someone else can see what your looking at as well. The instructions are hard to follow but if your into all your techy stuff you might find it easier. It does mess your night vision up for a bit as your looking at a bright screen. You can use the unit by its self for looking around as well. A paralax scope would be a lot better and you need to make sure you have a scope that the adaptors will fit. I didnt want to have a dedicated night rifle as it wouldnt get used enough to justfy the cost. If you lived closer you could have a play with my one, for the money I paid Im happy with it.

I've had a pard 007 for several years and apart from the need for a slip on recoil pad to regain eye relief, can't fault it. It goes between a 22, and 223 a ranging function might be useful on the 22 but the illuminator runs out of grunt around 200m. By that I mean you can still see past that but image quality and hence ID becomes too vague for my liking. I added a sytong axillary illuminator which adds about 50 m to the good vision range but that's not why I got it, it was to conserve the units battery. 850 is the best wavelength. If I didn't have the pard, I'd take that sytong, don't sweat the recoil pad thing worry more about if your scopes don't have parallax you'll have either fuzzy cross hairs or target images

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Originally Posted by Marty Henry

I've had a pard 007 for several years and apart from the need for a slip on recoil pad to regain eye relief, can't fault it. It goes between a 22, and 223 a ranging function might be useful on the 22 but the illuminator runs out of grunt around 200m. By that I mean you can still see past that but image quality and hence ID becomes too vague for my liking. I added a sytong axillary illuminator which adds about 50 m to the good vision range but that's not why I got it, it was to conserve the units battery. 850 is the best wavelength. If I didn't have the pard, I'd take that sytong, don't sweat the recoil pad thing worry more about if your scopes don't have parallax you'll have either fuzzy cross hairs or target images

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All my scopes have parralax adjustment so that shouldn't be an issue.

I have a variety of different stocks/chassis so didn't want to get multiple recoil pads, so didn't want to have to deal with LOP issues.

Do use your Pard for scanning then clip it on for shooting, or is that annoying to do?

The other option for a clipon is the objective end like a hikmicro cheetah. Bit more pricey though and depends on your scopes too

Have a number of NV scopes and configurations.
Original Pard NV008 is still working well on my .22lr. Just in the process of selling my Sytong HT-77 which worked well, and had the Laser Range finder built in. Required an external illuminator, so the choice was yours as to what you went with. Found that it did not need external LOP spacers which was a bonus.
Have a thermal handheld, and now a thermal scope too (replacing the Sytong HT-77).
Personally I prefer the IR940nm illuminators, as they are not detectable by prey unlike the IR850nm. I found the rabbits could see, and reacted to the IR850nm illuminator after they had been shot up a lot. Not so with the IR940nm illuminator.
The HT-77 can be used hand held, and worked well. But thermal is far superior in that space.

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Originally Posted by quentin

Have a number of NV scopes and configurations.
Original Pard NV008 is still working well on my .22lr. Just in the process of selling my Sytong HT-77 which worked well, and had the Laser Range finder built in. Required an external illuminator, so the choice was yours as to what you went with. Found that it did not need external LOP spacers which was a bonus.
Have a thermal handheld, and now a thermal scope too (replacing the Sytong HT-77).
Personally I prefer the IR940nm illuminators, as they are not detectable by prey unlike the IR850nm. I found the rabbits could see, and reacted to the IR850nm illuminator after they had been shot up a lot. Not so with the IR940nm illuminator.
The HT-77 can be used hand held, and worked well. But thermal is far superior in that space.

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Yes to 940, not so great the 850. I have a thermal mono but find you need to use low light otherwise your eyes get destroyed, I use white heat now.great bit of gear, like how close you get sneak up on sambar before they spot you.

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Originally Posted by quentin

Have a number of NV scopes and configurations.
Original Pard NV008 is still working well on my .22lr. Just in the process of selling my Sytong HT-77 which worked well, and had the Laser Range finder built in. Required an external illuminator, so the choice was yours as to what you went with. Found that it did not need external LOP spacers which was a bonus.
Have a thermal handheld, and now a thermal scope too (replacing the Sytong HT-77).
Personally I prefer the IR940nm illuminators, as they are not detectable by prey unlike the IR850nm. I found the rabbits could see, and reacted to the IR850nm illuminator after they had been shot up a lot. Not so with the IR940nm illuminator.
The HT-77 can be used hand held, and worked well. But thermal is far superior in that space.

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I didn't realize the HT77 needed an extra illuminator, good to know!

Is there an advantage to having m external illuminator or would going for a clip on with built in be better?

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Originally Posted by Beetroot

I didn't realize the HT77 needed an extra illuminator, good to know!

Is there an advantage to having m external illuminator or would going for a clip on with built in be better?

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Only the HT77 LRF model needs external illuminator.
We will be running a sale on the HT88 at Sika show - if the shipment lands in time.

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Originally Posted by 55six

Only the HT77 LRF model needs external illuminator.
We will be running a sale on the HT88 at Sika show - if the shipment lands in time.

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What's the difference between the 66, 77, and 88?
Just improvement performance?

Do most guys find they don't need a butt spacer?

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Originally Posted by Beetroot

What's the difference between the 66, 77, and 88?
Just improvement performance?

Do most guys find they don't need a butt spacer?

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I brought a high mounted mounts that were leaning forward(if that makes sense to you), one to clear the bolt and the other to have the scope forward to not worry about head position.

The newer model NV/day scopes like the pard and sytong are awesome with the ballistics and rangefinder.
However, if you aren't going with one of those models then the clip on units are very handy. You can hunt until dark with a normal scope then clip on your NV and away you go. I have shot a lot of animals with clip ons. Thousands.

Reason was prior to the newer units with ballistics etc you could reliably switch the the clip on very quickly between several rifles. And for a lot of what I was doing, with the clip on you have the ability to dial and shoot out to 600 yards plus at night.

I have never bothered with spacers for any unit, most I have done is put on a slip on recoil pad, which is not very often.

As far as illuminators go, 850 is not completely invisible but has far more range and clarity than the 940 which is invisible. An external IR is handy for extended ranges.

I have not used the sytong NV scope with ballistics so can't comment on the IR range but have had a go with the pard DS35 and you can shoot a long way at night without an external IR. The clarity is better than a clip on too.

Out of the 6 sytong NV and thermal units the guys currently have none have crapped out. 3 out of the 5 pards have had issues.

I’ve spent a fair amount of time contracting for the same out fit as you, don’t most of the boys use pulsar? Thought I was the only one using pard

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I’ve spent a fair amount of time contracting for the same out fit as you, don’t most of the boys use pulsar? Thought I was the only one using pard

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I contract to a different outfit but I think I know who you were contracting to. If so a couple of the guys that work there have recently got the pard DS35 scopes, in the last 2 months.

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Originally Posted by TLB

The newer model NV/day scopes like the pard and sytong are awesome with the ballistics and rangefinder.
However, if you aren't going with one of those models then the clip on units are very handy. You can hunt until dark with a normal scope then clip on your NV and away you go. I have shot a lot of animals with clip ons. Thousands.

Reason was prior to the newer units with ballistics etc you could reliably switch the the clip on very quickly between several rifles. And for a lot of what I was doing, with the clip on you have the ability to dial and shoot out to 600 yards plus at night.

I have never bothered with spacers for any unit, most I have done is put on a slip on recoil pad, which is not very often.

As far as illuminators go, 850 is not completely invisible but has far more range and clarity than the 940 which is invisible. An external IR is handy for extended ranges.

I have not used the sytong NV scope with ballistics so can't comment on the IR range but have had a go with the pard DS35 and you can shoot a long way at night without an external IR. The clarity is better than a clip on too.

Out of the 6 sytong NV and thermal units the guys currently have none have crapped out. 3 out of the 5 pards have had issues.

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The Sytongs have had the lowest return rate of any optic we have been involved with. Under 1%.

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Originally Posted by TLB

I contract to a different outfit but I think I know who you were contracting to. If so a couple of the guys that work there have recently got the pard DS35 scopes, in the last 2 months.

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We have a new product turning up hopefully in time for Sika Show that is better than the pard DS 35 and a lot more affordable.

@TLB no longer doing the carbon thing?

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Originally Posted by 55six

We have a new product turning up hopefully in time for Sika Show that is better than the pard DS 35 and a lot more affordable.

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@55six will you be anouncing any new products here or just at Sika show?

Hopefully announce here before show. Just waiting on samples to land this week.

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Originally Posted by 55six

Hopefully announce here before show. Just waiting on samples to land this week.

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Going by the interest here a forum discount would boost your sales.

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Originally Posted by Tahr

Going by the interest here a forum discount would boost your sales.

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Yep. Just have to work out how to do it in a way that doesn’t affect distribution relationships. Maybe a group pre-order discount.

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@55six will you be anouncing any new products here or just at Sika show?

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So announcement. We’ve taken on distribution of Arken optics, incredibly popular with precision shooters looking for Japanese glass and guaranteed tracking. What most don’t know is that Arken now do Night Vision. And in typical Arken fashion they didnt just join the club they produced the best product on the market. We have a sample at Sika show this weekend. Price around $1100. And that includes laser range finder and ballistics. Arken are literally aiming to replace traditional optics with digital tech.

Dammit just bought two replacement scopes for my rifles.... would've loved these if I knew about them! now, these arkens vs clip-ons...

Interested to see some more details.
Not sure I'll be making it to Sika show unfortunately.

Here's a long winded review of the Arken NV @55six mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0u9xkZdscY

At the end of this vid is a good demo of the Arken's IR night capability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzWe8oTcYoQ

Awesome bit of gear, love the focus function on the IR light

@55six what was the latest with the Sytong HT88s? Have they landed yet?

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Originally Posted by Beetroot

@55six what was the latest with the Sytong HT88s? Have they landed yet?

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Yes landed in store yesterday

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Originally Posted by 55six

Yes landed in store yesterday

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The 88 looks to be a reasonable bit shorter, is it safe to assume I won't need a butt pad/spacer?

The HT77 looks like it'd be too long being same length as HT66.

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Originally Posted by Beetroot

The 88 looks to be a reasonable bit shorter, is it safe to assume I won't need a butt pad/spacer?

The HT77 looks like it'd be too long being same length as HT66.

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Yes about an inch shorter. Spacer shouldn’t be needed

well almost a year later on this thread but just incase someone wants another opinion...
i have used a fair amount of nightvision clip ons..
ht-66 and the ht-88... and with those 2 clip ons the ht-88 is far superior with clarity... and have seen clearly out to 350y with the 88 but i also have a coyote canon ir torch... i also had the arken zulus scope which is even more superior with clarity... and its a day/night scope but tbh i still prefer to use a clip on because in day i prefer a classic scope over a digital...
now also the new pard n007 sp has come out and will try that to see how it compares to my ht-88 as from the box numbers it just seems bettwr