Clip on NV help

Hey guys,
Looking for some advice on clip on NV. I’m looking at either a PARD 007s or Sytong HT-77, I’ve done as much research as I can but I’m still unclear on the mounting system with regard to rear focus. I want to mount it on a Burris Signature HD 3-15 x 44 illuminated scope which has rear focus, parallax adjustment and is 46mm at the ocular end.
Question is, will a clip-on work properly with no fuss with a rear focus scope, and is there anything I need to know about compromises that have to be made?
Alternative is a dedicated NV rig but I can’t quite fund that at the moment and I’m very happy and confident with the current setup so love the idea I can quickly swap between day/night vision.
Thanks in advance for any help / advice.


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As long as you have parallax you will be fine. Every scope i know has rear focus, that's how you ajust it to people's different eyesight. Set it for your eyes fit the nv and then focus that. The NV unit has its own focussing both for the units camera on the scope image and the for the nv screen.

I've used a few resr clip on.. my biggest problem is the extra length towards your eye. I prefer my thermal forward clip on. That's great!

Get a forward thermal clip on,have a fixed parralax on scope and get adaptor near the same size as yr objective bell.Yr clip on will centralize to yr scope nicely.Have a scope with a 1.5 to 2.5 low magnification so theres no pixilating till you get up to maybe 4x or 5x.Try to have a scope with the same or near field of view as yr clip on too.

A limbsaver slip on recoil pad will fix the eye relief problem. Thermal is a whole different ballgame and much more expensive, I have a thermal monocular and nv and find the combination works very well. It also does a damn fine job when spotlighting.

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A limbsaver slip on recoil pad will fix the eye relief problem. Thermal is a whole different ballgame and much more expensive, I have a thermal monocular and nv and find the combination works very well. It also does a damn fine job when spotlighting.

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Thanks mate, I think I was confusing focus and parallax when I was researching this when I thought about it!
Yep that’s my plan, I already have a thermal handheld which is probably the most useful bit of kit I have and have had success using it in conjunction with a rifle mounted spotlight, my plan is to use the NV / thermal combo as you suggest, I generally need all the help I can get!

Thanks everyone for the input, any views on Sytong V PARD? I don’t see anything on the Sytong being waterproof (hunt a lot in Westland where it’s known to rain occasionally [emoji23]) but other than that specs look very similar. I do like the built in rangefinder on the Sytong though.


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Ok if you into NV,get a forward clip on,far less hassel than a rear clip on.
Enjoy.

It will work fine. You get 1 adapter with the unit so depending on your ocular diameter is whether or not you'll need another adapter.
Big plus with the night vision over the thermal is you can actually identify your target beyond all doubt. It also highlights if there is any brush etc in front of the target which may significantly reduce the bullet making it intact.
Some have said thermal clip on, yeah they are quite literally 5 to 10 times the price.
I use mine on 3 different rifles on any given night, .22, .17hmr, .223 are the ones I use several nights a week. I do stick it on a .308 and .270 for deer control. I don't have any problem with it coming back from the scope with the smaller calibers. However, on a rifle that creates more recoil, if you are shooting on an angle slightly up hill for example and you have the rubber eye piece around your eye then unfortunately you will get smacked in the face. Having a slip on recoil pad and holding your eye just back from the scope fixes this.
I use thermal scopes as well as night vision and to be honest I reach for the night vision more than the thermal. The clip ons are fantastic to the point where I done away with my dedicated NV scopes all together. Sure the clarity was a touch better but the versatility wasn't there.

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Originally Posted by Trout

Ok if you into NV,get a forward clip on,far less hassel than a rear clip on.
Enjoy.

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Thanks Trout,
Any recommendations on a fwd mount unit? I can’t find many in stock in NZ.
Cheers
Simon


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Thanks Trout,
Any recommendations on a fwd mount unit? I can’t find many in stock in NZ.
Cheers
Simon


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I think I have only seen one forward mounted NV unit from memory. It was a pulsar, certainly not common at all to have a forward mounted NV unit.

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Originally Posted by TLB

It will work fine. You get 1 adapter with the unit so depending on your ocular diameter is whether or not you'll need another adapter.
Big plus with the night vision over the thermal is you can actually identify your target beyond all doubt. It also highlights if there is any brush etc in front of the target which may significantly reduce the bullet making it intact.
Some have said thermal clip on, yeah they are quite literally 5 to 10 times the price.
I use mine on 3 different rifles on any given night, .22, .17hmr, .223 are the ones I use several nights a week. I do stick it on a .308 and .270 for deer control. I don't have any problem with it coming back from the scope with the smaller calibers. However, on a rifle that creates more recoil, if you are shooting on an angle slightly up hill for example and you have the rubber eye piece around your eye then unfortunately you will get smacked in the face. Having a slip on recoil pad and holding your eye just back from the scope fixes this.
I use thermal scopes as well as night vision and to be honest I reach for the night vision more than the thermal. The clip ons are fantastic to the point where I done away with my dedicated NV scopes all together. Sure the clarity was a touch better but the versatility wasn't there.

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That’s awesome info, thanks for taking the time to write that [emoji106]


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Does anyone in NZ stock the accessory mounting kits, not the 42mm plus that is available from the retailers but 36-38mm which is needed or mounting without half a roll of tape.

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Does anyone in NZ stock the accessory mounting kits, not the 42mm plus that is available from the retailers but 36-38mm which is needed or mounting without half a roll of tape.

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If you were after something like this, I can machine what sizes you want.

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Does anyone in NZ stock the accessory mounting kits, not the 42mm plus that is available from the retailers but 36-38mm which is needed or mounting without half a roll of tape.

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Delta Mike and Owl Optics do pard and 55six do Sytong but I haven't seen anything in the 36-38mm range. I did buy one of the collet style adapters of AliExpress but didn't take long to break one of the plastic pieces trying to get it over the scope.
What Fssprecision has looks handy!

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Delta Mike and Owl Optics do pard and 55six do Sytong but I haven't seen anything in the 36-38mm range. I did buy one of the collet style adapters of AliExpress but didn't take long to break one of the plastic pieces trying to get it over the scope.
What Fssprecision has looks handy!

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Owl can always supply specials like the above...I make it for them.

I have a pulsar corefx38 I could let go of if someone interested

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Originally Posted by Trout

Ok if you into NV,get a forward clip on,far less hassel than a rear clip on.
Enjoy.

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The issue with a forward clip is the change of zero that will most likely occur. Although admittedly I haven't used one I did quite a bit of research on this before going to the rear attachment system. Apparently some of the later model Thermal forward clipons have a zero compensating function which is intended to work around this. The other issue I see is the fact that with a forward clipon you are restricted to quite low magnification so for me at least where shots are taken out to about 350m on smaller targets like fallow deer this is not ideal. As far as the issue with eye relief using a rear mounted clipon the new Pard 007s pretty much sorts out this problem. I have in the past used the 007v and eye relief was a real issue, I have since moved to the 007s and the difference is night and day (no pun intended). The 007s also comes with proper shims for fitting to different scope eye pieces.

Iv had 3 clip/on s now,one NV,2 thermal,no zeroing.The clip on acts just like a monocular.You just use the cross hairs on yr scope.Bugger rezeroing the clip on,i just switch the thermal cross hairs off.I keep most of my night shooting under 250yds,mostly 50yds to 200yds.

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Thanks Trout,
Any recommendations on a fwd mount unit? I can’t find many in stock in NZ.
Cheers
Simon


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On TM theres a InFiRay CH50V2,buitifull unit design for scopes up to 9x.I know iv got one.Will get it on a new burris scope next week.Both have the same fov and the scope is a 2.5x10x42.Iv got a Rusan adaptor that is only .5mm bigger the the objective bell of scope.Will be a very net fit.The clip on will centralise on the scope very well.Looking forward to trying it out.Have shot one deer thru the V2,couldnt miss.lol.308 zeroed at 200yds.

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Iv had 3 clip/on s now,one NV,2 thermal,no zeroing.The clip on acts just like a monocular.You just use the cross hairs on yr scope.Bugger rezeroing the clip on,i just switch the thermal cross hairs off.I keep most of my night shooting under 250yds,mostly 50yds to 200yds.

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Ok, Interesting. there is a conflicting info online about changing scope zero's with a forward NV or thermal attached.
I guess the other real issue is cost. You can get a Sytong or Pard rear NV attachment for under 1/2 the price of a pulsar NV forward.

I've had my forward clipon shoot from my zero at 100m, to dialed up at 327m and still hit square on where my cross hairs were.

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Ok, Interesting. there is a conflicting info online about changing scope zero's with a forward NV or thermal attached.
I guess the other real issue is cost. You can get a Sytong or Pard rear NV attachment for under 1/2 the price of a pulsar NV forward.

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Chat to Peter (The Hunters Corner)He will see you right,a lot of guys have brought off him on here including me.

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I've had my forward clipon shoot from my zero at 100m, to dialed up at 327m and still hit square on where my cross hairs were.

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Good feedback. also from @Trout.
Its great to get this feedback from people who have actually used one. Certainly the forward clipon has a lot of great features. Can you tell me more about scope magnification. What sort of scope did you have this on. Was it Thermal or NV? what is the maximum scope power you could run this on and still get a good image.

I had this on a Burris 2-10@44 thermal core fx38q , I could zoom right into 10x and still make out the target. But a little pixelated.

You dont have to have a flash day scope.Its the specs that are important.Generally i can dial up to 4x and shoot deer out to 300yds.My daughter is bringing up my new burris scope today($400)2.5-10x42 from the deep south.Il try it out on the InFiRAY CH50V2 tonight.Il let you know tomoro how it goes.

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You dont have to have a flash day scope.Its the specs that are important.Generally i can dial up to 4x and shoot deer out to 300yds.My daughter is bringing up my new burris scope today($400)2.5-10x42 from the deep south.Il try it out on the InFiRAY CH50V2 tonight.Il let you know tomoro how it goes.

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Cheers for that. I will be interested in the outcome. With the Pard 007s it has an inbuilt minimum base magnification of 4x. Some when I hook it up with my Swaro 3.5-18 i set the scope to the minimum magnification of 3.5. By my reckoning that gives me an actual magnification of 14x. This seems to work Ok. I reckon I would struggle with 4x at 300m on a small target like a fallow. Its the one thing which put me off the Thermal forward devices, Not sure what magnification limitations there are with a NV forward, I would be interested in anyone's feedback on this.

I use to have this set up couple of yrs ago,very good out to 400-500yds.If deer are in the open all good,when deer move to cover very hard to see them even in behind a bit of broom or matagari,lost a couple of deer caus of this.Thru my thermal monoculars they stood out perfectly for shooting.Attachment 201309

I run a 007a on three rifles too. I’ve got a 48mm adaptor and use different thickness’s of alkathene pipe as sleeves. just like the pic above. Works well.

Not that pic, earlier one of sleeve.

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