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I spend alot of time reading about scopes. rifles , whats new whats the best load etc mostly on Usa sites, never thought anything of it.
Then tonight got to thinking I need another scope.

This led to.....
Out of my rifles and guns only one of them is actually fully American and that's the V3 shotgun .I have a custom on a Remmy action
Out of 10 scopes 4 are made in the Usa 2x nightforce and 2 leupys the rest are Euro

I thought that was interesting, as it was never deliberate, just what I thought best at the time
How does that compare with you.?

Just incase anyone thinks this is elitiste or whatever, I'm damn near 60 and have had alot of time to accumulate what I like.
....And get rid of what i didn't.:)

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Originally Posted by jakewire

Just incase anyone thinks this is elitiste or whatever, I'm damn near 60 and have had alot of time to accumulate what I like.
....And get rid of what i didn't.:)

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I just like what I got. :D

There is a right old mixture of all sorts from pretty much everywhere. Nothing overly even remotely flash, but useful. Couple of Nikons, Bushnels, Weavers, and hold your hat ... Nikko Stirling.

Firearms are even more agricultural. No point in me getting anything to 'nice'. I'd ruin it modifying it.

But are Leupys actually US made ? Maybe assembled, which to me is a bit different

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Originally Posted by Pengy

But are Leupys actually US made ? Maybe assembled, which to me is a bit different

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@Pengy
I'm not sure, are they not?

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Originally Posted by jakewire

I spend alot of time reading about scopes. rifles , whats new whats the best load etc mostly on Usa sites, never thought anything of it.
Then tonight got to thinking I need another scope.

This led to.....
Out of my rifles and guns only one of them is actually fully American and that's the V3 shotgun .I have a custom on a Remmy action
Out of 10 scopes 4 are made in the Usa 2x nightforce and 2 leupys the rest are Euro

I thought that was interesting, as it was never deliberate, just what I thought best at the time
How does that compare with you.?

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Most of my stuff is English or European, especially rifles, German, I do own a Remington, just one in 204 :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by jakewire

I spend alot of time reading about scopes. rifles , whats new whats the best load etc mostly on Usa sites, never thought anything of it.
Then tonight got to thinking I need another scope.

This led to.....
Out of my rifles and guns only one of them is actually fully American and that's the V3 shotgun .I have a custom on a Remmy action
Out of 10 scopes 4 are made in the Usa 2x nightforce and 2 leupys the rest are Euro

I thought that was interesting, as it was never deliberate, just what I thought best at the time
How does that compare with you.?

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NF glass is made in Japan. Scopes are assembled in the US.

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

NF glass is made in Japan. Scopes are assembled in the US.

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There we go then , only 2 scopes made in USA,

And if that's the case it must be made to a price as N/F glass, well the NXS is terrible when you compare.

I was reading up on this a few months back with respect to watches. At what point can the watch have the "made in" whatever country? I think it was Japan I looked at that if a certain percentage of the item is made in Japan it would qualify for the "made in Japan" label. Cannot remember the %age so it may vary from country to country even within the items themselves. Probably no worldwide standards. Some manufacturers seem more honest with their made in labeling.

With scopes, Leupold for example no longer make the categoric claim of made in USA.
Not sure but I don't think there has been a lens maker in the USA for a while.

My old NXS is totally made in Japan. Latest models are as already posted, are assembled in USA. Is Japanese scope better than the more recent models, who knows.

Years ago I contacted Burris to ask them the source country for their just released Timberline scopes. It took 2 emails to drag out of them the Phillipines (probably now China). Gave me some weasel talk about made to our world class standards in a partner factory.

I was more talking about rifles .
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Scopes are a good discussion as well.

I'm a pleb. Most of my stuff is Japanese in one form or another.

I do have a Marlin 22 and Winchester 12ga as USA stuff

I had Chinese and Canadian, but Jacinda wanted them (where does she get the time to shoot all those rifles??)

The only Euro thing I own is a CZ 75

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Originally Posted by jakewire

There we go then , only 2 scopes made in USA,

And if that's the case it must be made to a price as N/F glass, well the NXS is terrible when you compare.

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Have a look throught thr nx8 and the atacr and you will be pleasantly surprised.
As a bonus the dint have to be sent back for repairs like a lot of other high end jobbys

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Originally Posted by jakewire

There we go then , only 2 scopes made in USA,

And if that's the case it must be made to a price as N/F glass, well the NXS is terrible when you compare.

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Don't worry Biggley Trump will have the whole lot made in USA soon :-)

Light Optic Works in Japan will make a scope to any budget that a customer wants!!

Delta Stryka are making an inroad in the US however most US shooters seem to think USA is best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKo-__PTQ8g

Most of my stuff is European or Japanese.

IOR is German glass but Romanian assembled.

I think my bushnell was probably in the Philippines. But the price was right and it works well.

Had a vx 2 that was great on my 223.

Never really been brand fussy. As long as its well made and well priced

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Originally Posted by mikee

Light Optic Works in Japan will make a scope to any budget that a customer wants!!

Delta Stryka are making an inroad in the US however most US shooters seem to think USA is best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKo-__PTQ8g

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Well don't know about you but if I was from America if certainly be inclined to support American companies and American workers. Dunno about if they're the best though

"Have a look through the nx8."


See that's the problem Andy, I have, it's terrible, compared.

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Originally Posted by jakewire

"Have a look through the nx8."


See that's the problem Andy, I have, it's terrible, compared.

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You must have very good eyes as I have diavaris ior valdada, high end leupold 1 nxs 2x nx8 one big atacr and theres not enough diference to say ones way better than the other.
Try banging 6 inch spike in with any other scope and see how ya get on.
Knowing what I know I wouldn't buy anything else to be fair

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My NXS is the best glass I’ve looked through. Obviously got a good one [emoji23]

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Originally Posted by Mauser308

The NXS might have terrible glass, but how many other scopes can you use as a hammer?

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Was that how it was marketed?

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Originally Posted by andyanimal31

You must have very good eyes as I have diavaris ior valdada, high end leupold 1 nxs 2x nx8 one big atacr and theres not enough diference to say ones way better than the other.
Try banging 6 inch spike in with any other scope and see how ya get on.
Knowing what I know I wouldn't buy anything else to be fair

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To be fair the NX8 I looked through was set up on a rifle belonging to some one else and I didn't adjust anything to suit me, just looked.
The only ones I own are NXS and ShV F1

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Originally Posted by jakewire

To be fair the NX8 I looked through was set up on a rifle belonging to some one else and I didn't adjust anything to suit me, just looked.
The only ones I own are NXS and ShV F1

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Recently invested in an NX8 after playing the field. Great glass great package. I have a bunch of various high end glass and the nx8 is at the table. My current choice as full package.

An interesting question.
Most of my scopes are either US or European brands. Leupold, Bushnell and Lyman for the former and Pecar and Meopta for the latter. Some of the Bushnell scopes are marked made in Japan as is an old Tasco. Rifles were made in the US, Canada, UK, Sweden, Finland, Russia, Spain, Germany and Australia. I don't have any NZ made rifles although we did make them at one stage, both .22 RF and centre fire.
Grandpamac.

5 Czech and 3 Finnish rifles. 1 NF and 3 leupolds. Only American rifle I lust over is a pre 64 win.

The USA has quite different "rules" around "Made in the USA" compared with many other countries. Don't quote me on the exact numbers but to stamp something "made in the USA" it needs 15 or 20% locally added value, whereas most countries require 75 or 80% locally added value. This is why companies like Ziess and Glock etc take all their parts to the US, assemble them there and take the yank consumers for suckers with "Made in the USA".

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Originally Posted by Mauser308

Yup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZZTa8M5wI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQRe_-fgmGQ

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Wow. that's kind of impressive, kind of retarded.

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Originally Posted by Mauser308

Yup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZZTa8M5wI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQRe_-fgmGQ

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There used to be another clip floating around. Guy shooting 100yd group. He fired a shot, removed the scope (on QD rings IIRC) then threw it as hard as he could down range. Retrieved, re-attached, fired another shot. Repeated down range hurl. 5 times in total I think, great group.

And then there was the one on NF's website showing during Op Desert Storm (maybe the wrong location but a hot zone somewhere) where an AK bullet has passed thru the tube at right angles just fwd of the ocular lens. Scope remained in service until a more convenient time was available for replacement.

Yeah watched that one zimmer, I think it's is now or was on their webb site.

Saw the other as well though surely it would matter just where the bullet went through

No doubt though that they are tough as scopes.

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Originally Posted by jakewire

Saw the other as well though surely it would matter just where the bullet went through.

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Getting OT now but reminds me of Carlos Hathcock when he shot the NV sniper called Cobra. They had been stalking each other for some time and Hathcock saw the glint of Cobra's scope (sloppy workmanship), fired and the bullet passed clean through Cobra's scope. That would have buggered that scope. Hathcock remarked that it didn't do Cobra's eyesight any good either.

End of OT.