Thread: Creedmore and .270

Hi Gents and Gentesses,
Is it just me or does every other rifle for sale at the moment seem to be either a creedmore or a ..270 with a liberal sprinkling of 7mm08 as well?
Anyone know why?
Cheers
Dave

Calibers come and go out of fashion, Creedmoor seems to be a popular choice at the moment. Good short to medium range with a good selection of factory ammo. Guess it comes down to selling what many people want.

They're cheap to feed and are chambered in affordable rifles. Just about every shop has that ammunition in stock and they perform well on game.

People buy 270s and get a rude awakening from the noise and kick and that they may as well have got a proper big gun not a pretend big gun. With the creedmore I think people expect more than what they actually get as they are over hyped despite being a good cal.

Originally Posted by superdiver

People buy 270s and get a rude awakening when they realise they are in fact a little girl andthat they may as well have never weaned themselves from mummys milk. With the creedmore I think people expect more than what they actually get as they are over hyped despite being a good cal.

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Originally Posted by davhope

Hi Gents and Gentesses,
Is it just me or does every other rifle for sale at the moment seem to be either a creedmore or a ..270 with a liberal sprinkling of 7mm08 as well?
Anyone know why?
Cheers
Dave

It all comes down to military fashions, which spills over into hunting fashions. The Brits settled on their .303 in the 1880s and did not take note when the ideal caliber was worked out in the 1890s, from 7mm Mauser to 6.5mmx55 Scandinavian and 6.5x51 Japanese and the 6.5 Carcano. The pendulum then swung up to 8mm Mauser and a larger caliber 30/06 and WW2 stopped Britain from their plans to ditch the .303 in favour of a thinner bullet. Post WW2 the pendulum swung sideways from the .30/06 to the basically equivalent but shorter cased .308 Winchester / 7.62x51 NATO, then steeply (and maybe too far down) to the 5.56x45 NATO --- the last two choices products of the USA going it alone in their "cooperation" with their allies. We're now seeing sense prevail and the original 6.5mm / 7mm 1890s Goldilocks again prevails, being "just about right". Meanwhile deer successfully continue to fall victims to all the above rifle cartridges at normal hunting ranges.

"All will be explained" in an article on the 1950s .280 (7x43mm) British, itself vaguely similar to the less known WW1 .256 British (AKA 6.5x51SR Arisaka). Link..

the creedmore was/is marketed as the death star ray gun one stop shop for all game at all ranges.....yea nah it is what it is a newer slightly more accurate 6.5x55mm in new fancy wrapping.....people buy and try then realise its no better than what they already have (.270---.308----.30/06----7mm/08----.243) and flick it onwards...there also seems to be lots of folk setting up rifle expensively then working out they dont need it and can do job just as well with the old smoke stick so sell it to fund something else...as for people selling .270s???? there always has been temporary insanity and some folk never take the time to sort out a load that SUITS what they want it to do.

Originally Posted by superdiver

People buy 270s and get a rude awakening from the noise and kick and that they may as well have got a proper big gun not a pretend big gun. With the creedmore I think people expect more than what they actually get as they are over hyped despite being a good cal.

Biggest myth going 270 kicks, and all guns make noise

Originally Posted by davhope

Hi Gents and Gentesses,
Is it just me or does every other rifle for sale at the moment seem to be either a creedmore or a ..270 with a liberal sprinkling of 7mm08 as well?
Anyone know why?
Cheers
Dave

Creedmore is new and being sold as a magic caliber. New and uniformed may be buying as a "first rifle". Unless you want to shoot long range i.e. beyond 300 m you will probably not notice any advantage and suffer the cost of ammo.
270 and 7-08 are also common "first rifle" calibers so likely purchased by new hunters and then sold after they realise that deer don't just present themselves and say "shoot me please" and sometimes you get cold, wet etc

Originally Posted by Taff

Biggest myth going 270 kicks, and all guns make noise

Pretty simple physics, all guns kick relative to the power of the round and weight of the firearm (yes including the 270) and yes all guns make noise.

https://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

It’s that time of the year when everything is for sale. 6.5cm is everywhere at the moment as the new thing.. 270 is an age old favourite. If there’s a lot of them around then by percentages there will be more of them for sale.

Originally Posted by Taff

Biggest myth going 270 kicks, and all guns make noise

I think the myth started when the 270 started to gain popularity (Just after WW2 ) and if you compared it to what others were shooting at the time (mostly surplus 303) then it would have been louder and more kick because it was more powerful than what they had been used to. Now that most modern cartridges have lifted in their performance and are more readily available the 270 has not lost its kick or noise, but rather the other firearms are now doing the same.

If you compare a 270 or most modern cartridges to a 303 then they will likely all kick a bit more and make a bit more noise, but probably more accurate to say the 303 does not kick quite as much......

Thats my understanding on it,

If we suddenly had dinosaurs running around here and the 375 H&H magnum suddenly gained popularity and become the next common calibre hat everyone shoots, it would gain the reputation of more recoil and more noise, but as more calibres in that same power level become more available and common again it would be that the level of recoil is "Normal"and the older calibres (308, 270, 6.5 CM 30/06) would feel a bit soft and gentle....)

Originally Posted by davhope

Hi Gents and Gentesses,
Is it just me or does every other rifle for sale at the moment seem to be either a creedmore or a ..270 with a liberal sprinkling of 7mm08 as well?
Anyone know why?
Cheers
Dave

i think its just you . . . if you do a search on TM which has about 400 rifles onsale at the moment a search pulled up 4 private sales in 6.5 Creedmore

if your talking about on this site there are some guys here that change cartridges like others change their undies, sometimes without even fouling them

its a pretty good bet the 270 or 708, the 308 & 243 are also going to come up most often as well

I asked a reputable source recently what their best selling cartridge list is.

.308, 7mm-08, .270, .223, 7mm mag

Creedmoor not at the same level as the top 5 yet. 6.5x55 Swede nowhere.

Creedmoor deserves to be growing, its a damn good cartridge. Some tend to forget that every few years there’s a new cartridge, some make it, some don’t. My Grandpa used to tell me how .243 Winchester got lambasted in the late 50s by 7mm, 303 and 8mm shooters. He ignored them all. Now look.

This doesn’t represent all rifle sales obviously, but will be a pretty good proxy for the overall picture I’d say.

Originally Posted by rossi.45

if your talking about on this site there are some guys here that change cartridges like others change their undies, sometimes without even fouling them

That should go in the Favourite quotes thread!