Custom Actions: Recommendations?

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Here's the prototype of the new Eco-friendly truly custom action from Terminator products.

Still in its early stages of development, I need to ensure a steady supply of timber from sustainably managed forests.

Trying to locate a local timber strong enough for the action body is proving to be difficult, so have used an Aussie substitute for this one.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...pskgur4i5v.jpg

Uses a locally manufactured trigger & easy to source firing pin assembly.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...pszor3kn2v.jpg

Uses standard US threads for ease of manufacture & interchangeability of common parts.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...psua0ri3kq.jpg

Still working the shear strength of the bolt lugs, tuning the primary extraction for maximum performance & on a suitable sustainable solution for the stock.

If all else fails it will make a nice fire :D

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Branching out and building something your self, going against the grain?. Wood it work? I think knott.

Gold.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Here's the prototype of the new Eco-friendly truly custom action from Terminator products.

Still in its early stages of development, I need to ensure a steady supply of timber from sustainably managed forests.

Trying to locate a local timber strong enough for the action body is proving to be difficult, so have used an Aussie substitute for this one.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...pskgur4i5v.jpg

Uses a locally manufactured trigger & easy to source firing pin assembly.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...pszor3kn2v.jpg

Uses standard US threads for ease of manufacture & interchangeability of common parts.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...psua0ri3kq.jpg

Still working the shear strength of the bolt lugs, tuning the primary extraction for maximum performance & on a suitable sustainable solution for the stock.

If all else fails it will make a nice fire :D

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ba ha ha ha
Can't wait to see it with barrel installed, i assume you will have a lightweight "balsa" option which is fluted for maximum weight loss

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Here's the prototype of the new Eco-friendly truly custom action from Terminator products.

Still in its early stages of development, I need to ensure a steady supply of timber from sustainably managed forests.

Trying to locate a local timber strong enough for the action body is proving to be difficult, so have used an Aussie substitute for this one.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...pskgur4i5v.jpg

Uses a locally manufactured trigger & easy to source firing pin assembly.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...pszor3kn2v.jpg

Uses standard US threads for ease of manufacture & interchangeability of common parts.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...psua0ri3kq.jpg

Still working the shear strength of the bolt lugs, tuning the primary extraction for maximum performance & on a suitable sustainable solution for the stock.

If all else fails it will make a nice fire :D

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I dont think that stick on serial number is legal!:thumbsup:

Go on build an ar lower out of wood!

Guess yours looks more functional then mine. .

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...9c335e3ec3.jpg

The back of the bolt looks odd. Are you going to change that at all or is a dual purpose bolt?

Good selling point I reckon. "Buy the abe action today, serves both you and your wife" :D

3 lug bolt head Abe? how doses primary extraction work?

@kiwigreg, you should import some bubinga or purpleheart - probably be easier machining steel :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

Gold.

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So more getting to the root of the issue than barking up the wrong tree

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

3 lug bolt head Abe? how doses primary extraction work?

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Have you never seen a Barnard?

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Originally Posted by tui_man2

Guess yours looks more functional then mine. .

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...9c335e3ec3.jpg

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Fkn lol you guys. Nearly choked on my cuppa! The wooden one will probably last longer too, and looks nicer!! :P

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Originally Posted by L.R

Have you never seen a Barnard?

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Ones I have seen are round?
I thought he made it?

what's wrong with the Hardy engineering actions? Haven't seen one in the flesh but the pics online look good .

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Originally Posted by tui_man2

Guess yours looks more functional then mine. .

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...9c335e3ec3.jpg

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So what's the go with that beast Abe?

Faaark. Home made actions....? Maybe check out the firearms safety section in a few months time. Or the next issue of NZ Guns for more public safety notices from Blaser.... Just saying.... big liability in making actions if things go wrong. Ask Brian Harre all about it.... :(

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Originally Posted by mikee

ba ha ha ha
Can't wait to see it with barrel installed, i assume you will have a lightweight "balsa" option which is fluted for maximum weight loss

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I would assume the barrels will be custom split cane with a budget conscious bamboo option?

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Originally Posted by Barefoot

I would assume the barrels will be custom split cane with a budget conscious bamboo option?

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That would be the "eco-friendly option"

Mmmmmmmmm, Shiny :thumbsup:

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...pshwdx5fwv.jpg

Nice..mine the bottom one? Get it away alright? Did you bring the other 2 in for yourself?

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

Nice..mine the bottom one? Get it away alright? Did you bring the other 2 in for yourself?

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Ones yours, should go today when I get the appropriate address from Mark.

Ones sold the other is mine if no one else wants it :)

I can feel another 300 Norma magnum in its near future :thumbsup:

He said he sent it to you last week?

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

He said he sent it to you last week?

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Yes I got his dealers licence :)

Being rural delivery it can be interesting, NZ post don't, won't knowingly carry anything firearm related, not a problem until there is an issue, delivery times can be woe full.

It pays to be a little careful, its only a cheap product, easily replaceable after all, insurance won't even cover half its value, if I had to make a claim it will take ages & "I'm sorry Sir that is a prohibited item, there is no cover"

It will be at the Fastway depot tomorrow once I have that address :)

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

East Coast Arms are putting together...their 'smith is down central otago.

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Is he in cromwell by any chance? I haven't met him but heard a couple of people talk of him. Desert guns or something?

Yep sounds right....what they saying?

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

Yep sounds right....what they saying?

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Is pretty decent apparently.
The proof will be in the pudding.

So true...

Ive seen Mark's smithing.

Used to work for Robbie, his work is top notch.

Brilliant.

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Originally Posted by puku

Is he in cromwell by any chance? I haven't met him but heard a couple of people talk of him. Desert guns or something?

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I meet Mark and have few of my "little" rifles worked by him, he is a very nice guy and absolutely capable and precise, he will give his best in your project.
@Kiwigreg, if you still don't have his contact details i can send it to you.

Great rifle @Tikka7mm08, i may find a excuse to go and see Mark one of these days.

Thanks Perri!

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Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA

I meet Mark and have few of my "little" rifles worked by him, he is a very nice guy and absolutely capable and precise, he will give his best in your project.
@Kiwigreg, if you still don't have his contact details i can send it to you.

Great rifle @Tikka7mm08, i may find a excuse to go and see Mark one of these days.

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Cheers Mate all sorted, talked to Mark numerous times now, have some brakes going to him for clients :)

There was an interesting comment by Chad Dixon in USA about the comparison of Custom actions compared to the humble Tikka stock action.He did not mince his words.

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Originally Posted by TeRei

There was an interesting comment by Chad Dixon in USA about the comparison of Custom actions compared to the humble Tikka stock action.He did not mince his words.

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Link or summary?

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Originally Posted by gimp

Link or summary?

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Custom actions are a waste of time.....
But most of us no that[emoji2]

Downloads | Kinetic Research Group

Tikka Tolerances / Slop
05/08/2015
How do the Tikka actions compare to other non-custom manufactured actions?

"Blueprinting" is one of the first recommendations that many gunsmiths offer clients with Remington actions. Would you make the same advice to a client with a Tikka?

How much slop does one see with a Tikka generally?



LongRiflesInc
Re: Tikka Tolerances / Slop
05/08/2015
First, we've done a whole bunch of these as full builds and barreled actions. This "slop" thing that gets everyone so constipated, needs to die a slow painful death. It's internet poison and all it does is peel dollars from your wallet from horse shit sales tactics. You are ultimately left to suffer as a consumer/enthusiast. The GS's who advocate this will later tell you he can only coat "half" of your action otherwise the bolt won't run. -do you paint a car and leave the door jams in bare steel? Next, your bolt won't work when it gets dirty. . . blah, blah, blah. We've all seen it, yet few seem willing to confront it.



All in the name of precision right? How gay is that? A gun that doesn't work unless the planets align and you pack your cleaning kit everywhere you go to enjoy your hobby?



There is nothing wrong with Tikka actions other than the factory barrels are torqued to absurd levels. In 15+ years I've yet to see where this ultra tight "tolerance" bolt thing makes one shit of difference on a target. The BR guys seem to swear by it. These are the same guys that shoot "oversquare" 6mm's with 18" barrels resembling tractor axles at 300 yards and under from setups void of almost all human interaction. I've seen hundreds of people offer all kinds of engineering term riddled theory, conjecture, and opinion. Nobody that I'm aware of has sat down and conclusively proven any of it. -and by that I mean going out and purchasing a broad menu of rifles chambered in an equally broad variety of cartridges with the full spectrum of barrel contours, lengths, throat lengths, neck ID's, etc. . .

Nobody.

Now wouldn't that be something to see.

It's apples and onions in the world the rest of us participate in.

Bottom line, pick your barrel and chamber. Have it fitted up by someone who understands realistic/practical accurate gunmaking and go shoot the daylights out of it. The Tikka is a really good piece and comes out of the box with a number of features that will cost you extra on other actions.



Good luck!



C.

Chad Dixon
President
LongRifles, Inc.
3570 Mayer Ave
Sturgis, SD 57785
605.490.2561
www.LongRifles, Inc.
Contact@longriflesinc.com

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Originally Posted by Dytek

I was looking at one but seems there has been a few issues with materials ie hardness nitrating of parts or lack of? Parts galling I'm sure these issues will be fixed in time!

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you would think so , waiting on a rifle at the moment with galled up lugs , will advise on the outcome , been away 3 weeks now ,

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Originally Posted by Looseunit

you would think so , waiting on a rifle at the moment with galled up lugs , will advise on the outcome , been away 3 weeks now ,

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They way you publicly run them down I hope Dan tells ya where to stick it.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

They way you publicly run them down I hope Dan tells ya where to stick it.

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first off Brad I haven't run them down , I did post a photo of an experience we had with a can , no names were mentioned , it was everyone else that jumped on board and started the slanging . as someone who has a lot of dealings with different products and matters relating to the industry and forum related issues I have a lot to share , non biased .

second , if he chooses to give back up service like telling the customer to stick it i'm sure those on here would love to know what to expect .

third , pull ya fuken head in , your the one slinging shit and stirring , you always seem to butt in and give your 2c worth when you have no involvement .

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

Downloads | Kinetic Research Group

Tikka Tolerances / Slop
05/08/2015
How do the Tikka actions compare to other non-custom manufactured actions?

"Blueprinting" is one of the first recommendations that many gunsmiths offer clients with Remington actions. Would you make the same advice to a client with a Tikka?

How much slop does one see with a Tikka generally?



LongRiflesInc
Re: Tikka Tolerances / Slop
05/08/2015
First, we've done a whole bunch of these as full builds and barreled actions. This "slop" thing that gets everyone so constipated, needs to die a slow painful death. It's internet poison and all it does is peel dollars from your wallet from horse shit sales tactics. You are ultimately left to suffer as a consumer/enthusiast. The GS's who advocate this will later tell you he can only coat "half" of your action otherwise the bolt won't run. -do you paint a car and leave the door jams in bare steel? Next, your bolt won't work when it gets dirty. . . blah, blah, blah. We've all seen it, yet few seem willing to confront it.



All in the name of precision right? How gay is that? A gun that doesn't work unless the planets align and you pack your cleaning kit everywhere you go to enjoy your hobby?



There is nothing wrong with Tikka actions other than the factory barrels are torqued to absurd levels. In 15+ years I've yet to see where this ultra tight "tolerance" bolt thing makes one shit of difference on a target. The BR guys seem to swear by it. These are the same guys that shoot "oversquare" 6mm's with 18" barrels resembling tractor axles at 300 yards and under from setups void of almost all human interaction. I've seen hundreds of people offer all kinds of engineering term riddled theory, conjecture, and opinion. Nobody that I'm aware of has sat down and conclusively proven any of it. -and by that I mean going out and purchasing a broad menu of rifles chambered in an equally broad variety of cartridges with the full spectrum of barrel contours, lengths, throat lengths, neck ID's, etc. . .

Nobody.

Now wouldn't that be something to see.

It's apples and onions in the world the rest of us participate in.

Bottom line, pick your barrel and chamber. Have it fitted up by someone who understands realistic/practical accurate gunmaking and go shoot the daylights out of it. The Tikka is a really good piece and comes out of the box with a number of features that will cost you extra on other actions.



Good luck!



C.

Chad Dixon
President
LongRifles, Inc.
3570 Mayer Ave
Sturgis, SD 57785
605.490.2561
www.LongRifles, Inc.
Contact@longriflesinc.com

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Well, i wonder if chad came up with some of these blowhard comments after a few too many beers perhaps? Fkn lol..... :D

Sure, the T3 actions are great for a general use hunting or varmint rifle, and for the money are hard to beat.
The 'bolt slop' argument though in regards to the T3 (or similar) actions is basically redundant where the cocking piece on the bolt and the sear face sit at 90 degrees. TOTALLY different story on actions like the Rem700 et.all which use an angled face on the cocking piece. On those actions excess bolt slop can create issues, not to mention all the other things that need tidying up on a remmy.

The T3 actions are a good choice for a semi-custom rifle on a budget for sure, but just nothing too big in the chamber department though.