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Looks good but like i've said i'll be waiting another couple of months probably. Still learning lots with my 22 and want to shoot that loads more before I go buying another rifle! Until then i'll just be researching, looking at them in shops and taking advantage of nice people like Gadgetman ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudattack
Absolutely. I ended up with something different to what I thought I wanted. Best bet is to annoy the local gun shop and get them to empty the rack onto the counter and play with them all. One or two will light your lights. Then you'll know what you're wanting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyP
Yeah, I will absolutely be doing that. I'm all for reading reviews but in the end it'll probably be whatever feels best in my hands. With my 22 I had everything sussed but then I tried a certain stock and absolutely had to have it. Just that comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
Speaking of which, nobody seems to have many stock options for the other calibers. I guess 22lr is so popular they can afford to have a heap of different ones in stock. Do you generally have to order them in?
Ok Matt,
Here you go, this shows the difference in recoil. A .308 being fired with and without can.
Watch the whole video, pretty good really... the Yanks sure have a heap more choice for their $ than we do... Shows what can be expected when sighting in and the difference in Ammo brands.
Just because it is expensive doesn't always mean your rifle will like it.
Savage Model 10: The 1000 dollar 1000 yard rifle - YouTube
Also, you can see the bullet drop on the .308 if you look when he shoots the Gong you can see how much it drops at 500 yds.
Hope that helps some.
Thanks Slimy. Really interesting.
Pretty sold on 308 now. How short are people going with their barrels when suppressing? Seen some pretty nifty little ones on other sites but at what point is velocity impacted significantly?
Cut that fucker to 18 inches and never look back.
mine is just under 18" i would happily go to 16" and the loss wont be that significant.
That first four inches(from 22 to 18) is pretty common amount to cut off, shorter than that would start giving your suppressor a real hard time with high temps and higher muzzle pressures and become almost unusable without the suppressor.
Some of the velocity loss can be gained back and muzzle flash lessened with reloading.
Velocity loss is not linear ie the shorter it gets the more loss per inch.
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Good info, cheers. How do the over barrel silencers perform compared to pure extension? Nice and compact would be good if performs well.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Can't comment as i haven't owned one.
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I have a 16"barrel 308 with a Hardys gen 4 suppressor. It shoot factory 150gn Remington ammo at 2620fps but I am using hand loaded 125gn accubonds at 2990fps. Very handy and accurate enough for 300+m.
I have just bought a DPT modular can for my 22-250 as its compact and lightweight. Its probably not as robust as the Greystone over barrel that I was using for my .223 for multiple shot strings but its unlikely that you will be peeling off rapid shots with what you are looking to do.
The DPT is well made and can be made even more compact for stalking.
There is a thread here somewhere...
What make model of that gun it it if you don't mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
Cheers Happy
There seems to be quite a few NZ companies making suppressors. What is considered the "cream of the crop" of these? Without sparking too much debate ;).
It's more relevant to your use... Hardy, Gun Works, Grey Stone, MAE, DPT, Zigiliani all do an excellent product for over barrel ... I've only seen the DPT in the Modular configuration and for Stalking it looks hard to beat due to its ability to be made smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyP
The Over barrel one is the most quiet... But, it's a hot debate and unless you have figures (I'm sure they are out there) then it's hard to tell the difference between the top brands... they are generally heavier though.
Tried Gadgetmans 308 yesterday with and without gunworks suppressor. I liked! Thx again GM.
Next question - what magnification scopes are you guys using on 308's? I was thinking 3-9x or 4-12x? That'd show a deer up at 500m as if it was only about 50m away. Is this the right type of thinking or should I be looking at more?
I find I use mostly 2x on my 22 with a 2-7x Redfield. I'd like to keep that low end mag if possible on whatever I get for my 308 as I wouldn't mind blowing a few pests apart up close.
Most people use 3-9 for an all-round hunting rifle. Works for me too.
Most of my scoped hunting life has been with either a fixed 4x or a 3-9 vari power.
Relatively recently i went to a 4.5-14x to make it a better allround rifle by extending its range. Fail. 4.5 is just that bit too much in tho bush for quick target acquisition IMHO.
Now run a 2-12x.
But a good quality 3-9 should serve you well.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking with going beyond 3x low-end. Even 3x I find much slower than 2x for aquiring a target quickly up close. What 2-12x are you using? I do love 2x, but dunno if it's worth the 2-3 grand that the 2-12x Leupolds seem to go for.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
3-9x is some 1990's shit. Stop encouraging lazy manufacturers by buying scopes with 3x zoom ratio. Get 4x zoom ratio at least, it's the year of our lord two thousand and thirteen.
Not everyone has a limitless budget Mr gimp.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
That is why i explained what i have used with very much success and what i eventually upgraded to.
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You can get something with a 4x zoom range on a budget.
My 4.5-14 is a vx3 and the 2-12 is a vx6Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyP
They are pretty pricey but have been given shit and haven't fogged or had any other problems.
Personally i think you need to spend 500 minimum nz retail to get something pretty reliable.
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So now a scope has to have a minimum zoom of 4x to be useable
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Originally Posted by Toby
Nope but why buy a 3-9x when you can get an equally good 3-12x or 2.5-10x for the same money? It's Progress and if you keep buying old shit it removes the incentive for people to Make Progress
2.5-10 sounds nice.
If you can get them for the same money then sure, only seems logical that the older tec would be cheaper but hey i haven't checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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Yup. Don't really have a budget for this rifle but don't want to spend ridiculous amounts either. However, if it provides a nice allround setup it may save me buying a couple others? Hah. The 2-12x looks damn sweet so I guess I just need to decide if being able to have 2x on it is worth a grand to me. Amazing price difference between the vx3 and vx6.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Who has the 6's at the best price? I guess it'd be easy to order from the states as there'd be no drama with permits etc like firearms?
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Leupold for example love their 3x zoom ratio. 3.5-10?? look at the actual magnification range, it's a 3-9 with a fancier name and a $$ price tag...
hunting and fishing had the vx6 3-18 for $1599 in its latest catalogue, not sure of the 2-12 price but cant imagine it being more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyP
My 308 has a VX3 4.5x14x40
It's a nice scope but wish I had got the 50mm
Tell you what I can sell it to you at a good price and I'll go off and get the 50mm
Remember - Buy once, Cry once.:oh noes:
Hey Gimp, when you say- "equally good 3-12x or 2.5-10x for the same money" - what sort of gear are you talking about?
I'll be in the market for a scope in a few months and would like to know what you reckon is good
I got the 50 with side parralax and wish i had got the 40 lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300winmag
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I'd get a Nikon or something but gonna be honest it's been a while since I considered that end of the marketQuote:
Originally Posted by 308
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I have one of those but its loand to someone else at the moment, at least i think it was a loan
Found the 1.5-5 Burris Euro Diamond I also have to be a better scope optically and better eye relief (both compared on 5x)
i have a 2-7 burris on the 308 which replaced a 1.2- 4. Its awesome and are priced very well, can probably get one for $400NZD from states. 2-12 vx6 would definitely be my ideal choice if money wasn't an issue.
4x or better is only new tech for leupold. Everyone else has had option on 4x ratio for a loooong time even nikko sterling haha. Should be able to pick up a bushnell 4200 2.5-10 for under 500 they are a bloody good scope. Nikon is another good option if you hunt around you could get a weaver supeslam 2-10x42 for the same.
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam
In for a swap if your's is newish???
Na it suits the 223 heavy varmint its on now, was just a bit bulky and bit too much bottom end on my main hunting rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300winmag
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