Thread: E cat 762mm length question

Looking for an answer here. If you have a registered e cat firearm and put a collapsable/folding stock on it and once folded or collapsed goes under 762mm it's illegal right? A no can do. ?

Police policy is to measure with the stock unfolded/extended, but police policy isn't law.

If its shorter than 762mm is it a Pistol ?

Yeah its a pistol under 762mm so you cant legaly have it on your E

First, I don'y know answer to initial question, but if it falls then into pistol category would require "B" endorsement, "E" does not cover pistols.
Might be wrong here but normally allows you to go to around 10.5" barrel on say an Ar with a standard retractable?

Originally Posted by jackson21

First, I don'y know answer to initial question, but if it falls then into pistol category would require "B" endorsement, "E" does not cover pistols.
Might be wrong here but normally allows you to go to around 10.5" barrel on say an Ar with a standard retractable?

They are pistols if they are shorter than 762mm. Those ar15 rifles are actually pistols not rifles.

Yes looks like would have to be around 12.5" min on a fixed stock to keep under that 762mm length, if brake included in length would have to be fixed type.

Originally Posted by jackson21

Yes looks like would have to be around 12.5" min on a fixed stock to keep under that 762mm length, if brake included in length would have to be fixed type.

Yep. Plenty of people have got them with 10in barrels thinking they are A cat, not realising they have brought a pistol. Anyway, why you would want one with a 10inch barrel is beyond me.

Originally Posted by jim160

Yep. Plenty of people have got them with 10in barrels thinking they are A cat, not realising they have brought a pistol. Anyway, why you would want one with a 10inch barrel is beyond me.

Unless your into door kicking, 10 inches means lots of flame and noise with quite a drop in MV. I have never fired one but being net to one on the range i have to say they sound nasty and seem to spit out un-burned powder.

Not having one to measure, is a collapsing stock version with 14.5 inch under the legal length when collapsed? Mus t be a lot of those out there.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Not having one to measure, is a collapsing stock version with 14.5 inch under the legal length when collapsed?

With a bare muzzle, yes.

Originally Posted by Banana

With a bare muzzle, yes.

Interesting... Well I guess we haven't heard of anyone being "Done" for this (Yet).

No arguments about the handiness of a short rifle, just don't think .223/5.56 is the best cartridge for such a short barrel.

Originally Posted by jim160

Anyway, why you would want one with a 10inch barrel is beyond me.

Considering that 10" is longer than what 300blk was made for, why would you want something even longer again??

Super short .223 I don't understand, 12ish inches is already getting bloody short for that.

I like short, handy guns.

I have a .22 AR with a permanently attached can that is only just over legal min with the stock extended, and unless there is any change it will have a folding stock adaptor fitted next time I'm in NZ-that will actually add over a inch it the in use length.
I have thought about getting the barrel trimed more due to this but as the police could change there mind at any time as to how they measure I don't want to put myself in the position of maybe in the future having a useless barrel

Short handy rifles rule, folding stocks make transport easier.

a 10.5" with a suppressor is a fuck of a lot more handy than a 16" or whatever with a suppressor....

Uh but when Joe Green was in charge of gun matters he openly stated that E category guns are measured with the stock extended. I believe the current guy states the same thing. So basically it is a grey area. There is confusion because there are many E cat registered guns that fall well under 762mm with the stock folded. Also, a folding or telescoping stock is specifically recognized as an MSSA feature.

the arms act only says "under 762mm in length", which isn't defined at all, could go either way, "length" to me in plain english is "the longest possible distance between the ends of an object", i.e., with stock fully extended