Thread: Educate me on bushpigs

short suppressed tikkas are still worth very similar money if you decide you hate it

not that you will. shorties are great

Originally Posted by Frodo

It's bad enough that the human race is experiencing identity/gender issues.

Now our firearms don't even know what the hell they are.

Completely off track but havnt seen any updates on your adventures? How's it all going?


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Originally Posted by Gibo

Just do it bro. Haters gonna hate.

16" mod 7. Shes 2.7 kg all up and not too bad to shoot. Deer out to 380 odd and gongs out till I run out of dial 165 NBT doing 2650 so plenty of grunt out to 500

Reason I wanted a pig was.....well anyone ever hunted the Kaimai's

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@VTR, your M7 7Saum could look like this (or close enough, maybe 17-18" but with a Magnum DPT) get it into DPT and see if they will be happy to shorten and thread on the flutes.

You whitnessed what a 17" 284 with Amax at 2700 can do, an 18" 7Saum will only be better that than, 2800+ fps probably. Get into it

If the OP wants advice on how to get a bush pig, look no further...

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Originally Posted by ChrisW

I ran some numbers through quickload last night as I was working up some loads for a 16" barreled .308.
Its only a prediction of course, but I ran the numbers using a 175gr sierra matchking at max loads with both AR2206 and AR2208 powder. It was predicted that the AR2208 although a slower powder, still pushed a higher velocity than the faster burning 2206 through the 16" barrel.
You could of course fit more of the 2206 in the case so could potentially run a charge above the max published load and get more velocity then you could with the slower burning powder - as you can only fit so much of the slower powder in the case.

Hey Chris,
What would be the figures with a 125/130 grain bullet? as a lot of guys are using that weight class for the short distances in bush shooting.

I got 2995fps with 125gn Nosler ABs from my 16" Tikka using H335.

Originally Posted by Sidney

Are you a tree stand hunter? I have been aware of some claims that modern electronics can filter out background noise and wind noise, but wearing muffs while actively hunting is just unpleasant.
.

Sit down Sidney because this may come as a shock but you are not the sole arbiter of everything I do, feel or think, so what actually you mean is YOU ( Sidney) find muffs unpleasant,maybe others as well buy who really knows.
I did spend some time in a tree on Stuart Is. I saw 2 deer but panicked when I realized I was in the bush with a rifle that was out of fashion and had a 23 inch barrel so didn't shoot. I did recover after some counseling and managed to completely fluke 3 white tail for the trip with my useless rifle. I think I even put a report in the magazine section here.

Originally Posted by Sidney

It was an obvious point that you seem intent on missing sort of like the noise issue being significantly lessened above. You ought to work out the difference between hunting and shooting.

I hunt with a rifle so hunting and shooting are inseparably intertwined. Your interpretations of my reply's are perplexing , Have you been tested for dyslexia?

Originally Posted by Sidney

Of course I have never suggested that I can regain all of the speed lost simply by moving to a faster powder. Just that a faster powder might be more efficient at getting faster speeds in shorter barrels everything else being equal.

I would like to see a specific experiment.. if you are aware of one.. but relying on load data from inconsistent sources is hardly conclusive..

Let me remind you what you said, from post #43 "Besides, reloaders using faster powders can make up most of any speed lost from shortened barrels."
And from post #56 "Bullocks - try shooting slow powders through pistols and getting the same performance... everything is a continuum chap and slow powder performance gets optimised in longer barrels. Conversely faster powers are optimised in shorter barrels."

I'm not doing your research for you. Actually I have no problem with the thought of you continuing on in your beliefs as they are.

Originally Posted by sneeze

Sit down Sidney because this may come as a shock but you are not the sole arbiter of everything I do, feel or think, so what actually you mean is YOU ( Sidney) find muffs unpleasant,maybe others as well buy who really knows.
I did spend some time in a tree on Stuart Is. I saw 2 deer but panicked when I realized I was in the bush with a rifle that was out of fashion and had a 23 inch barrel so didn't shoot. I did recover after some counseling and managed to completely fluke 3 white tail for the trip with my useless rifle. I think I even put a report in the magazine section here.




I hunt with a rifle so hunting and shooting are inseparably intertwined. Your interpretations of my reply's are perplexing , Have you been tested for dyslexia?


Let me remind you what you said, from post #43 "Besides, reloaders using faster powders can make up most of any speed lost from shortened barrels."
And from post #56 "Bullocks - try shooting slow powders through pistols and getting the same performance... everything is a continuum chap and slow powder performance gets optimised in longer barrels. Conversely faster powers are optimised in shorter barrels."

I'm not doing your research for you. Actually I have no problem with the thought of you continuing on in your beliefs as they are.

You can lead someone to water but......

I will just say.

Why would the cartridge care what length the barrel is.....it wouldn't.

If you are getting velocity "back" by running faster powder it is even more velocity you could have had in the longer barrel with the same load....you have gained nothing more than more pressure.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

You can lead someone to water but......

I will just say.

Why would the cartridge care what length the barrel is.....it wouldn't.

If you are getting velocity "back" by running faster powder it is even more velocity you could have had in the longer barrel with the same load....you have gained nothing more than more pressure.

Its a strong human trait to cling to our first belief no matter how illogical.

Originally Posted by sneeze

Its a strong human trait to cling to our first belief no matter how illogical.

What do you mean Willis! "The worlds not flat"!?

Our my first human belief "If Eve wore a leave I'm sure Adam wore a hole in it"!

Originally Posted by Gibo

Just do it bro. Haters gonna hate.

16" mod 7. Shes 2.7 kg all up and not too bad to shoot. Deer out to 380 odd and gongs out till I run out of dial 165 NBT doing 2650 so plenty of grunt out to 500

Reason I wanted a pig was.....well anyone ever hunted the Kaimai's

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Nice set up you have there @Gibo

Originally Posted by Gibo

Just do it bro. Haters gonna hate.

16" mod 7. Shes 2.7 kg all up and not too bad to shoot. Deer out to 380 odd and gongs out till I run out of dial 165 NBT doing 2650 so plenty of grunt out to 500

Reason I wanted a pig was.....well anyone ever hunted the Kaimai's

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looks more like a show pony than a bush pig

OK... Never let it be said that I remain polite when I don't need to.. you want play with words...?

You sound like a sensitive wee girl clearly irritated about the tree stand thing... the point if you were capable of getting it is that actively hunting with vinyl ear cups on is unpleasant... thats an objective truth whether you understand it or not. Whether you choose a level of discomfort or not is irrelevant to me, just don't bother telling me it doesn't exist.

My original comment was about shooting more often as you become a better hunter. Nothing to do with becoming a better shooter like you go on about. Shooting skill was assumed as a constant and wasn't at issue. Better hunters usually shoot more animals. Better hunter = more shots generally because being a better hunter generates more opportunities - simple maths. The fact that you choose to shoot less being a better hunter is irrelevant, it was a general comment and reflects a normal and average sort of reality. You come along obfuscating and completely missing the point. Try a little harder to follow along.

The next one is a cracker.. you even took the time to paste my actual words.... when I said that I never said that "ALL of the lost speed would be made up" that is entirely true. Last time I checked "most" and "optimised" do not qualify as "ALL"... but hey you can't even follow along with the general ideas expressed like noise reduction and more shots fired as you get to be a better hunter.

Given your general comprehensive difficulties, why would I take your analysis of more complex issues seriously? Anytime you can come up with some sort of relevant actual experiment I would be interested in seeing those results.... but I haven't seen any yet.

Seriously whats your problem mate? I couldn't give a toss whether you turn out to be right about the quicker powder/shorter barrel issue... its a side issue to the utility of suppressors. Losing 100fps with the same load in a 4 inch chop is inconsequential.

Originally Posted by Paddy79

looks more like a show pony than a bush pig

Yip, full blown safe queen

Originally Posted by Gibo

Yip, full blown safe queen

You or the rifle

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