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I do feel, if you were truly after a hench .277, you go a 27 nosler or do an 8 twist 270wsm? However factory offered rifles might give it a surge?
yeah nah.....but if wanted to be different and going custom barreled a .277/08 could be interesting...chai latte is acquired taste
I think what people are missing is that it will bring with it better bc and heavier projectile offerings for the 270 calibres. While the offering is not something I'm interested in it may open up building customs on the 270 calibre. Interesting to see if it lasts. I kind of doubt it.
It’s a 270 saum
It has the same COAL as the prc so it will fit in any thing that fits the prc , which rifle wise will be good . Im just waiting now for the 7mm version . What this will mean for 270 owners is finally they will have the bullets that can make their 270 as good as a 280 ;). The recent interest in the .277 seems to be driven by the the US military so i think this has a part in the choice of why they went that way. Plus a 6.8 western sounds better than 270. I wonder how long before we see a 7mm prc from Hornady as the counter move to this one .
It’s an optimised .270 WSM and brings nothing new to the party, but will be a good option for those who fancy it. As I have .270, .284 and 7RM rifles in the cabinet it won’t fill any gaps for me.
I often see comments about the US military taking this or that cartridge into service and smile to myself. Of the top of my head they have: 5.56, 6.5 Creedmoor, .308, .300Win Mag, .300 Norma Mag, .300 PRC, and .50 BMG in service. No doubt there are others too. All it means is that the US services have no commonality and their procurement process are muddled. Anyway, as Wayno says, if it helps the rest of us it’s not a problem.
If we do get better .277 projectile offerings and it spurs Hornady on to run out the 7mm PRC, that’s great. Of course, ammo production in the tens of millions for the military is more attractive than producing smaller numbers for civilian shooters. The US preppers hoard the rest and we are lucky to get anything.
Some interesting and relevant comments here. https://www.longrangeonly.com/forum/...-western.8376/Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
wait n see if projectiles become available as reloading components...cant see factory loads being less than $3 a round...probably closer to $5
6.5cm and 300prc brought nothing new to the table when 260, 6.5x55 and 300wm all similar performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitfire
I think it could be quite good for 270. Mostly because the majority of people dont want to reload. Or custom build a rifle with a fast twist in an existing "better" chambering. But that would also involve reloading as no factory ammo.
Main problem for 270 projectile development being lack of factory chamberings with fast twist barrels for high bc vld type heavy for caliber projectiles. Hopefully this is a start.
Hornadys offerings seemed to take off because they were marketed at competition as well as hunting. This seems to be marketed just as a hunting cartidges.
The creedmoor did bring one advantage over the 260 and that was the bullets are seated as far out as possible so as not intrude on case capacity and fit standard 2.8 inch factory magazines . The slightly longer case of the 260 didnt fit as well and getting those long 6.5 seated meant it would fit the mag ,worked fine in tikkas and modified rems . The creedmoor was designed to work better of the shelf . There are heaps of older things that are improved /modernized and standardized which do nothing the old cartridge did but just come in a modern package that can be brought of the shelf and perform to a level that once required hand loading to and custom rifles to do . But it gives us choice and that is a fun option , Thats why ill be waiting for a 7mm prc it will do nothing that a 7mmsaum wont do but ill be able to go buy ammo over the counter and a rifle and thats what this new 6.8 western will do as well .
If you really want a 6.8, just put a little less powder in ya 270 WSM :D
its 'ideal' for those who dont reload and want a long range '277'.....
it looks pretty neat but is more of an inbetweener than the 6.5 creedmore ever was
This kind of cartridge development is just good engineering, following the same principles as most things we develop, put to use, find shortcomings in and hence make improvements.
Faster barrel twist, longer heavier higher BC bullets, improved chamber dimensions, improved case design, it all adds up to harder hitting bullets on game at longer ranges, and tighter groups on paper at longer ranges. This phenomenon is nothing new, we’ve seen in with several different cartridges & calibres in the last few years.
I welcome these developments as they are logical and sound in principle and application. The .277” bore was always lacking somewhat in new developments, so why not add to the list of choices? I don’t understand the often rabid anti-new-cartridge rants we see on internet forums. It smacks of hypocrisy and narrow mindedness.
You can pretty much guarantee than in years to come, most hunting rifles sold new will have fast twists and be chambered to use heavier, long, high BC bullets. It’s inevitable.
Don't forget we have now also adopted 338 Norma Magnum and the special operations command has adopted 6mm ARC. Plus they are working on a new 6.8 or 6.5 cartridge for the M4 service rifle and M249 squad automatic replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitfire
The real break threw would have being faster
Twist 270s like a saum with less punch I'm getting from this
Does anyone feel like they are going back in time? Back to the days when something like this won't get here for a decade.
I would be keen to try one, i had a 270 WSM and got a few hundred Matrix 165gr.277 bullets, couldn't stabilize them fully, so sold off the rifle, did concider a re-barrel to faster twist, but sold rifle, for more than was in.
I think its good to see a move to faster twist in the .277 bore, its long been neglected,
i didn't think the 6.5 Creedmore would gain the traction it has, so i think there is a market, for moderate Med cals, factory match grade capable, with long high BC bullets, for hunting and target.
I think there is a market for it , there are a lot of people who want a rifle that offers target type accuracy and factory ammo they can just pick up of the shelf . There are huge numbers US shooter that operate that way because it simply convenient. My Creedmoor is very accurate with factory and given i dont use in a high volume way why would i bother reloading ,unless the supply problem starts to get to bad that i cant get over the counter ammo .Dont get me wrong i normally reload but in this case i doubt i would get much better results . And i like the bullet weight options for this one about right not to heavy not to light and not being called 270 appeals to me ,i never liked the 270 ,yes i know its a good cal .
There is the potential for substantial improvements for the original 270
Greater selection of better bullets and OEM's might just start to fit faster twist barrels to make use of them.
Ive said for years Nosler needs to poke a plastic tip in the 160grn partition to up its B.C. maybe even give it a boat tail..if it would still stabilise in 1;10 twist it would change the whole ball game for the std cartridge...the 150grn is good as it is,given a birthday and spruce up to improove B.C. would win back some favour...doesnt worry me a shite.....dont shoot past 350 so doesnt matter....
And then is four or five years time, they will come out with a fast twist 25 superduppermagnumcreedmoor, just to open another segment of the market and create more demand for higher bc bullet in that caliber....and everybody will jump on it cause nobody thought of it before.
Well all these new high BC 270 projectiles will finally make it as good as a 280 ;). The 270 and the 25-06 have both been hamstrung with not enough options but it does seem to be changing for the better and who knows in the near future the factory twist rates might end up changing
If they can maufacture and supply ammo they will be on a winner.....but that is going to be a big problem.
Here's an interesting read on it https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/tag/6.8+Western . H e also explains in the video why you wont see factory 270's with faster twist barrels or wsm's , . A 280AI with same bullet will still beat it though .I wonder how long before the wildcatters knock this one up to 7mm .yes i know we have the SAUM but i think you will see more brass options for this one given the yanks love affair with the 270 .
I see Berger just dropped a 135gr long range hybrid for the quarter bores...
Found this comparision today , its intresting to see there is not much in it with the PRC but the 6.8 hits with a bit more wallop . Other than that its pretty even. Is the extra hitting power worth it well thats the question . https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/bl...rc-amp-270-wsm
so AI a std poohseventy and the difference is what?????SFA is what....why does no one AI a poohseventy...because you dont need to,its good as it is....you say given same bullet but arent talking apples and apples now are you......... because if you were you know the laws of science dont lie....the poohseventy will be slightly skinnier so will be slightly slipperier so will need slightly less velocity to achieve same trajectory..... but you already know you cant at present get two projectiles the same weight of same make that are comparable...in real terms...and good luck finding 280AI on shelf at little town store when you leave yours on freezer as walking out door on a four day hunt....Quote:
Originally Posted by wayno
@Micky Duck you are right sort of
If you stick to old school parameters than there is nothing wrong at all with the old girl.
0 to 400m and a little bit more maybe and everyone happy
But nowadays with new projectiles scopes and rifles, ranges out past 600m is readily achievable and done more than frequently.
There hasnt been many 270 calibre out there to play with so it has taken a while to get caught up with the creedmore and long distance 30cals.
As I posted earlier if they start doing faster twist barrels for the standard 270 with bullets to match, it cant be a bad thing.
As an aside I would like to see a slightly faster twist 264 win mag.
There are a bunch of the creedmore out there but barrels are shorter than preferred so cant just ream them out or swap them.
If a 6.5 creedmore can catch up to the 264, 300 yards out even though it is slower because of the bullet, then if you can get that projectile to work in a magnum with a faster twist, then that's more better
mate..they were shooting buffalo with .45 and .50 calibre black powder rounds further than that over a hundred years ago...if you get the elevation/drop right all things are possible..... it pisses me off how folks keep saying the 280 is so much better than 270 when in reality there is fcuk all in it...and when you AI one and not the other its no longer same level playing field..... I dont twiddle n fiddle as dont own rangefinder......fellas that do so and use .270 dont have any issues....
Hey Micky , Ill be honest i am 280 fan just simply because it wasn't a 270 originally . Then i learnt about handloading and that's were the real difference between the 2 showed you just had so much more options bullet wise till now . I agree there is not much in it just what you get used to and how you use it . Its the same debate with the Creedmoor vs 260 i went with the Creedmoor simply because i could get better choices in rifles and of the shelf ammo . Both the 260 and the 280 suffered from poor marketing by remington and a lack of rifle options ,had they been better at who knows . If there are enough rifle makers that build the western, then it will take off and then we can have the same debate about it and the prc along with all the banter that goes with it .
fair enough...at least we can agree they both betterer than a EBRG....... unless you have rats to shoot of course
I watched that a few days ago. Interestingly the 270wsm with a 150gr was very competitive with the 6.8W (with high bc 165 and 175) out to 500yd. But further out things would changeQuote:
Originally Posted by wayno
Ive pondered this before......why not run a 7mmrem mag reamer into a .277 barrel??? only need to change the neck bit.... nah std .270 winchester is fine just the way it is....
That would be a .270 weatherby. Been done a bit by those chasing 3000 fps with a 150.
heck of a lot of mucking around for only a little bit of gain....lots more powder too.... LOL.
IMO this is the main thing that determines the long term popularity of any cartridge, if enough people see lots of manufacturers making something its almost guaranteed to take off.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayno
Plenty of shooters getting 3000 fps with 145 ELD-X and Superperformance in .270s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicko