Finally, Bergara single shot 9mm!!

After years of talking to different dealers, and the importer, I thought we'd never see these here. They're made in small batches for the Aussie market normally. I decided to email NZAsia(the Bergara agent) one last time, breaking down all the reasons I believe they'll be popular, which were
-Cheapest centrefire round to shoot
-Easily made subsonic
-Crazy cheap to reload
-Perfect backpack calibre/rifle for rabbits, hare, goats, possums, even small deer
-Also a super fun round to plink with, all the bang/whack of a centrefire, without the recoil or hole in the wallet.

This time, they said they will ask around gun shops for any interest, as they'd have to order 30 of them. Well, I can finally say, THEY'VE BEEN ORDERED!!! 28 of them are going to Gun City(unfortunately) and two are going to a small town dealer, one for the owner and one for myself!! They're being shipped out late October, so hopefully we'll see them start of next year!
Yes I know it's not getting ARs or anything back, but I've never been so excited for a gun to arrive!!

that would be a fun wallaby carry rifle too.....

Great guns. I think you'll like it.

Are they threaded

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Originally Posted by deye223

Are they threaded

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I'm waiting for confirmation on that, but I believe they will be

Hi All what is the barrel twist rate can you reveal with my experimenting makes a big difference on weight of pills vs good MOA
FSS Made one out of a New England Handi break action fast twist that likes the 169 RN the best
cheers

Forget to say, check the rail when you get it. Some are a little loose or become loose over time. The first thing I did with mine was a little Loctite treatment. A minor annoyance that is easily put right.

https://i.ibb.co/5h0CqPQ/Hunting-Goat1.jpg

9mm is cool and I'd buy one.

But I'd love to see a single shot 10mm Auto.

Wee 14.5" barrel pushing 165gr hollow points.

Now that would have some snot for sub 100y bush hunting

HAHAA I went looking for specs on the above BA-13 in 9MM
the ones i found were threaded
1:10 Twist rate so should handle the lighter rounds O K
I found the Bergara,s a tad heavy like the New England Handi especially compared to the light weight Rossi Monty

Have had an email this morning, they will be
1:10" twist
5/8x24 thread
18" stainless barrel
Open sights and rail

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Originally Posted by Jamesyd

After years of talking to different dealers, and the importer, I thought we'd never see these here. They're made in small batches for the Aussie market normally. I decided to email NZAsia(the Bergara agent) one last time, breaking down all the reasons I believe they'll be popular, which were
-Cheapest centrefire round to shoot
-Easily made subsonic
-Crazy cheap to reload
-Perfect backpack calibre/rifle for rabbits, hare, goats, possums, even small deer
-Also a super fun round to plink with, all the bang/whack of a centrefire, without the recoil or hole in the wallet.

This time, they said they will ask around gun shops for any interest, as they'd have to order 30 of them. Well, I can finally say, THEY'VE BEEN ORDERED!!! 28 of them are going to Gun City(unfortunately) and two are going to a small town dealer, one for the owner and one for myself!! They're being shipped out late October, so hopefully we'll see them start of next year!
Yes I know it's not getting ARs or anything back, but I've never been so excited for a gun to arrive!!

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okay now you experts what is better- this or a .22 magnum - really

interesting you ask Barry
the way I see it....
this will be legal on DOC controlled estate...
this will poke bigger hole all be it without huge amount of energy
for a packing down,casual walking rifle for the occasional single wallaby or goat at close range it should be fine.
it wont/shouldnt do anything you cant already do with a .357mag ...single shot rifle.... same niche,same limitations but arguably much easier/cheaper to reload
will be/should be really easy to get very fragile projectiles to break up inside soft tissue...actually the 357 should be the same.
your comparison is SIMILAR to 7.62x39mm Vs 223 except the humble 22 mag is not allowed on DOC controlled land.
will see if can find energy figures...

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

interesting you ask Barry
the way I see it....
this will be legal on DOC controlled estate...
this will poke bigger hole all be it without huge amount of energy
for a packing down,casual walking rifle for the occasional single wallaby or goat at close range it should be fine.
it wont/shouldnt do anything you cant already do with a .357mag ...single shot rifle.... same niche,same limitations but arguably much easier/cheaper to reload
will be/should be really easy to get very fragile projectiles to break up inside soft tissue...actually the 357 should be the same.
your comparison is SIMILAR to 7.62x39mm Vs 223 except the humble 22 mag is not allowed on DOC controlled land.
will see if can find energy figures...

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thanks Mickey Duck for your reply

400-500ftlbs energy a 105-125grn projectile doing 13-1500fps depending on load.......for the 9mm
a 40grn .224 hornet is same at muzzle if we use muzzle velocity of 2300-2400fps
I dont have trajectory chart for the 9mm...or near cousin the 357/38s but given longer barrel in single shot rifle,one could possibly also assume much stronger action than cylinder or auto with slide so will possibly run the p+p loads????
25-50 yards and soft light game it should do just fine n dandy AS LONG as folks use within limitations.
the humble trebly has twice the ftlbs at muzzle but less than half the projectile weight.

Well for what it's worth out of a 4" barrel using 4.2gr titegroup I get 1115fps out of my Austrian hand piece on the range.

Surely one could do ++P loads.

I've used the 9mm inserts in a 20Ga single shot and they work emphatically on possums at 70y..
A ++P load out of a carbine length would make deer shudder at sub 100y surely.

Push a 90gr XTP at +1600 fps and you're entering some very interesting territory indeed

The other thing to consider which is a big one to consider.

Is to ream the chamber to 38 Super.

Albeit less the brass availability and cost of 9mm.

A 38 super carbine would be plain cool and it would have plenty of snot for hunting

oh maaaan ,back to wiki for specs I shall have to go.
I know the 38 special..a lesser .357 magnum but never heard of the 38 super....357 maximum is another in there a longer case.

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oh maaaan ,back to wiki for specs I shall have to go.
I know the 38 special..a lesser .357 magnum but never heard of the 38 super....357 maximum is another in there a longer case.

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Think of 38 super like the difference between 38 special and 357 mag Micky Duck.

On any given day a 38 super will give around 200+ fps on a standard 9mm using the same projectile.

38 super is the go to round for IPSC open shooters.

So reaming out a barrel from 9mm to 38 super would be no different to reaming a 7mm08 to 284win or a 308 to a 30 06

or a 38 special to 357 mag...or a 38special or a 357 mag to the 357 maximum

or the 45/70 to 45/90 or 45/110 LOL.... case head is the same the case body is longer.

had a look on wiki..... yeah the 357 maximum still looks the pick of the bunch for hunting application.... just as well Im happy with the wee trebly,could be come a very expensive rifle if you bought one to rechamber.

On the one hand, I would love a 9mm carbine of any sort as that's a already in my calibre footprint, but at the same time, what will it do that a Bergara single shot in .357 magnum won't? There are even takedown lever-actions in .357, which you have the option of loading with .38 subs. What I would like to see is a 9mm lever action that takes detachable mags, I feel like I've seem them available in the States but both the price and quality made them less appealing.

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On the one hand, I would love a 9mm carbine of any sort as that's a already in my calibre footprint, but at the same time, what will it do that a Bergara single shot in .357 magnum won't?

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Not a lot. But the ammo is significantly cheaper to buy. Plus smaller and lighter so you can pack more of it into a pocket.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

400-500ftlbs energy a 105-125grn projectile doing 13-1500fps depending on load.......for the 9mm
a 40grn .224 hornet is same at muzzle if we use muzzle velocity of 2300-2400fps
I dont have trajectory chart for the 9mm...or near cousin the 357/38s but given longer barrel in single shot rifle,one could possibly also assume much stronger action than cylinder or auto with slide so will possibly run the p+p loads????
25-50 yards and soft light game it should do just fine n dandy AS LONG as folks use within limitations.
the humble trebly has twice the ftlbs at muzzle but less than half the projectile weight.

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And apart from the novelty and compatibility with what you shoot off your hip factors, I'm wondering about the ballistic advantage over say hot 158gn 38sp out of a Rossi 92 lever gun. I was all in love with my Ruger PCC in 9mm until it got taken off me, but a single shot?. Mmmm...each to their own I guess

def want one anyone know the price

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Originally Posted by 199p

def want one anyone know the price

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Haven't been told a price, but I'd assume would be similar to their normal calibre prices ($1000-1200)

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Originally Posted by tommygun

On the one hand, I would love a 9mm carbine of any sort as that's a already in my calibre footprint, but at the same time, what will it do that a Bergara single shot in .357 magnum won't? There are even takedown lever-actions in .357, which you have the option of loading with .38 subs. What I would like to see is a 9mm lever action that takes detachable mags, I feel like I've seem them available in the States but both the price and quality made them less appealing.

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Grant from Tactical Imports was about to bring in one, a tactical looking 9mm lever gun with it's own proprietary mags, but they've just been denied for unknown reasons. As far as I could tell, everything about it was legal

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

400-500ftlbs energy a 105-125grn projectile doing 13-1500fps depending on load.......for the 9mm
a 40grn .224 hornet is same at muzzle if we use muzzle velocity of 2300-2400fps
I dont have trajectory chart for the 9mm...or near cousin the 357/38s but given longer barrel in single shot rifle,one could possibly also assume much stronger action than cylinder or auto with slide so will possibly run the p+p loads????
25-50 yards and soft light game it should do just fine n dandy AS LONG as folks use within limitations.
the humble trebly has twice the ftlbs at muzzle but less than half the projectile weight.

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190gr subx is 440 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle as another similar comparison (1000fps)


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Any idea when these may be expected in NZ and what stores will have them?

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Originally Posted by Jamesyd

Grant from Tactical Imports was about to bring in one, a tactical looking 9mm lever gun with it's own proprietary mags, but they've just been denied for unknown reasons. As far as I could tell, everything about it was legal

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Not correct. There is/was one on TM, but they want $5000 for it which is nuts. Called the Tombstone.

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Not correct. There is/was one on TM, but they want $5000 for it which is nuts. Called the Tombstone.

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It was correct, but he argued their decision and got permission to bring them in. He had the same issue with the straight pull AR he had made, he's currently arguing that decision aswell

Fair enough. I was wrong about the price too. It's actually $5500. I'm on record here in an earlier thread saying that I would buy one of these but sorry, at that price I'm going to have to pass.
For me it falls into the "fun" category of basically a cheap centre fire plinker. I have other levers that will do a better job on live game of all sorts.

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-Perfect backpack calibre/rifle for rabbits, hare, goats, possums, even small deer
-Also a super fun round to plink with

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One assumes you're not thinking of harvesting the meat off your rabbits and hares... Once saw a rabbit shot with a 9mm pistol resulting in a pair of ears and a face with a hole in it... Everything behind the face was, well, missing.

Highly effective goat load!

Anyone have any opinions of this Bergara single shot in 9mm after using one ?

I see they are still in stock, I had a 308 version and it was a shooter, on the heavier side especially for what it was, but sold it a couple years back

I already have the suppressor as it would share the one from my Citadel 357

They are excellent!