Thread: Firearm Registry Data Questions and Answers

that applies to dropping it off to a gunsmith ?

Originally Posted by gonetropo

that applies to dropping it off to a gunsmith ?

only if its over 30 days

Edit: to add its all about who is in possession not about ownership, was made quite clear in the video that's going around from the arms fair.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

that applies to dropping it off to a gunsmith ?

Haha, that's usually a six to nine month exercise in patience!!!!

I wouldnt have thought that would be the same.
You aren't lending it to be used or selling it
But as we all know this bunch of muppets wouldn't have thought about it as they have no idea.
Making things easy and sensible isn't part of their design brief
It shouldn't but who knows.

Just went through this conversation with the 0800 call center staff.

Was planning on getting my rifle bedded, and asked if supplying my firearm to the gunsmith was a triggering event e.g. supplying an arms item. His answer no as it was a temporary. I then said where is that stated on the website. He pointed me to this section:

I then pointed out that that section clearly states 'once you have registered your arms' so not applicable if I haven't registered anything yet.

My reading is that any receiving or supplying in this case is a triggering event regardless of whom it may go to (Licenced Firearm Owner or dealer/gunshop for works etc). The website seems to back this up.


He couldn't definitively answer the question, about 'supply' and as that isn't defined anywhere, I'm awaiting a call back from his supervisor to confirm what it all means. I am not holding my breath on the call back.

My 2c view on the above is that if at anytime before I have registered my firearms, I supply an 'arms item' to another person (be that a mate borrowing a rifle for a hunting weekend, or a gunsmith bedding, re-crowning, suppressor fitting, etc) and it is out of my possession then that is a triggering event - happy to be proved wrong, but the website seems to suggest I'm right.


EDIT:

Did a bit more digging and found this in the Arms Legislation Act 2020, which I think clarifies it (if only their website made it clear!)

Originally Posted by Kimber 7mm-08

Just went through this conversation with the 0800 call center staff.

Was planning on getting my rifle bedded, and asked if supplying my firearm to the gunsmith was a triggering event e.g. supplying an arms item. His answer no as it was a temporary. I then said where is that stated on the website. He pointed me to this section:
Attachment 227160
I then pointed out that that section clearly states 'once you have registered your arms' so not applicable if I haven't registered anything yet.

My reading is that any receiving or supplying in this case is a triggering event regardless of whom it may go to (Licenced Firearm Owner or dealer/gunshop for works etc). The website seems to back this up.
Attachment 227156

He couldn't definitively answer the question, about 'supply' and as that isn't defined anywhere, I'm awaiting a call back from his supervisor to confirm what it all means. I am not holding my breath on the call back.

My 2c view on the above is that if at anytime before I have registered my firearms, I supply an 'arms item' to another person (be that a mate borrowing a rifle for a hunting weekend, or a gunsmith bedding, re-crowning, suppressor fitting, etc) and it is out of my possession then that is a triggering event - happy to be proved wrong, but the website seems to suggest I'm right.


EDIT:

Did a bit more digging and found this in the Arms Legislation Act 2020, which I think clarifies it (if only their website made it clear!)
Attachment 227169

Why would the regulator, who should know the law and regulations, make it clear to those they are regulating?
The good thing about ambiguity is they can apply any meaning to it they want and be correct in their minds.

Their aim seems to be to mislead LFO's and get as many firearms registered as soon as possible so they can claim it a success and they have data in the database so they can see if it works and improve it as they see fit.

Why would you register any firearm if you haven't triggered an event to cause you to I am unsure, at present the database is beta 1.0 in 2 years time it will most likely be trial ver 5.5 and by 2028 it will probably be trial ver 25.9 I think I'd rather wait and enter my data when they have ironed most of the bugs out of it.
Also in 2028 if they only have 30% of the firearms owners that have registered their firearms I would think they would go into panic mode and possibly open up different processes to register your firearms.

What happens if your wife, who has a FL but doesn't own any firearms buys ammunition, what does she have to register?

Originally Posted by 19Badger

What happens if your wife, who has a FL but doesn't own any firearms buys ammunition, what does she have to register?

Not an issue until June 24 2025

Originally Posted by 19Badger

What happens if your wife, who has a FL but doesn't own any firearms buys ammunition, what does she have to register?

Bloody good point!

Had a couple of Carl gustavs a few years back with the same serial. Glad i moved them on.

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What is the official definition of "arms item"?

Originally Posted by Old_School

What is the official definition of "arms item"?

Here it is ...!

Originally Posted by Mintie

Here it is ...!

Attachment 227191

The arms items needing to be registered, differ from the definition of arms items in the act.

Major firearm part.

@Old_School it’s all here https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....earms-registry

Originally Posted by Kimber 7mm-08

Just went through this conversation with the 0800 call center staff.

Was planning on getting my rifle bedded, and asked if supplying my firearm to the gunsmith was a triggering event e.g. supplying an arms item. His answer no as it was a temporary. I then said where is that stated on the website. He pointed me to this section:
Attachment 227160
I then pointed out that that section clearly states 'once you have registered your arms' so not applicable if I haven't registered anything yet.

My reading is that any receiving or supplying in this case is a triggering event regardless of whom it may go to (Licenced Firearm Owner or dealer/gunshop for works etc). The website seems to back this up.
Attachment 227156

He couldn't definitively answer the question, about 'supply' and as that isn't defined anywhere, I'm awaiting a call back from his supervisor to confirm what it all means. I am not holding my breath on the call back.

My 2c view on the above is that if at anytime before I have registered my firearms, I supply an 'arms item' to another person (be that a mate borrowing a rifle for a hunting weekend, or a gunsmith bedding, re-crowning, suppressor fitting, etc) and it is out of my possession then that is a triggering event - happy to be proved wrong, but the website seems to suggest I'm right.

You appear to have a valid point, the website seems to use the term 'supply' interchangeably between a sale of an arms item and the short term transfer of less than 30 days where ownership does not change. This is a little confusing - as effectively if you are sitting in a car with another LFO and their firearm and one of you step out to pay for gas or visit a toilet you have supplied your firearm to another LFO for the purposes of supervision if nothing else...