Thread: Firearm Registry Data Questions and Answers

Originally Posted by Copelli

I was told yesterday by a trusted Firearms Dealer that 'providing a firearm to' or 'receiving a firearm from' another person is a full Firearms Registering Event under the new law.

That is, NOT just 'selling' or 'buying' a Firearm. A formal sale is NOT required to trigger the full Registration requirement, just a transfer of possession of the Firearm.

FYI all.

Only if it is for longer than 30 days was my understanding (in regards to loaning or looking after on behalf)

that applies to dropping it off to a gunsmith ?

I wouldnt have thought that would be the same.
You aren't lending it to be used or selling it
But as we all know this bunch of muppets wouldn't have thought about it as they have no idea.
Making things easy and sensible isn't part of their design brief
It shouldn't but who knows.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

that applies to dropping it off to a gunsmith ?

only if its over 30 days

Edit: to add its all about who is in possession not about ownership, was made quite clear in the video that's going around from the arms fair.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

that applies to dropping it off to a gunsmith ?

Haha, that's usually a six to nine month exercise in patience!!!!

Just went through this conversation with the 0800 call center staff.

Was planning on getting my rifle bedded, and asked if supplying my firearm to the gunsmith was a triggering event e.g. supplying an arms item. His answer no as it was a temporary. I then said where is that stated on the website. He pointed me to this section:

I then pointed out that that section clearly states 'once you have registered your arms' so not applicable if I haven't registered anything yet.

My reading is that any receiving or supplying in this case is a triggering event regardless of whom it may go to (Licenced Firearm Owner or dealer/gunshop for works etc). The website seems to back this up.


He couldn't definitively answer the question, about 'supply' and as that isn't defined anywhere, I'm awaiting a call back from his supervisor to confirm what it all means. I am not holding my breath on the call back.

My 2c view on the above is that if at anytime before I have registered my firearms, I supply an 'arms item' to another person (be that a mate borrowing a rifle for a hunting weekend, or a gunsmith bedding, re-crowning, suppressor fitting, etc) and it is out of my possession then that is a triggering event - happy to be proved wrong, but the website seems to suggest I'm right.


EDIT:

Did a bit more digging and found this in the Arms Legislation Act 2020, which I think clarifies it (if only their website made it clear!)

Had a couple of Carl gustavs a few years back with the same serial. Glad i moved them on.

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Originally Posted by No.3

Haha, that's usually a six to nine month exercise in patience!!!!

Time to find a new Gunsmith

What is the official definition of "arms item"?

@Old_School it’s all here https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....earms-registry

Originally Posted by Kimber 7mm-08

Just went through this conversation with the 0800 call center staff.

Was planning on getting my rifle bedded, and asked if supplying my firearm to the gunsmith was a triggering event e.g. supplying an arms item. His answer no as it was a temporary. I then said where is that stated on the website. He pointed me to this section:
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I then pointed out that that section clearly states 'once you have registered your arms' so not applicable if I haven't registered anything yet.

My reading is that any receiving or supplying in this case is a triggering event regardless of whom it may go to (Licenced Firearm Owner or dealer/gunshop for works etc). The website seems to back this up.
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He couldn't definitively answer the question, about 'supply' and as that isn't defined anywhere, I'm awaiting a call back from his supervisor to confirm what it all means. I am not holding my breath on the call back.

My 2c view on the above is that if at anytime before I have registered my firearms, I supply an 'arms item' to another person (be that a mate borrowing a rifle for a hunting weekend, or a gunsmith bedding, re-crowning, suppressor fitting, etc) and it is out of my possession then that is a triggering event - happy to be proved wrong, but the website seems to suggest I'm right.

You appear to have a valid point, the website seems to use the term 'supply' interchangeably between a sale of an arms item and the short term transfer of less than 30 days where ownership does not change. This is a little confusing - as effectively if you are sitting in a car with another LFO and their firearm and one of you step out to pay for gas or visit a toilet you have supplied your firearm to another LFO for the purposes of supervision if nothing else...

to people living in same dwelling..both have licences...same deal LOL.

True.

Originally Posted by No.3

Haha, that's usually a six to nine month exercise in patience!!!!

Lol, I dropped my rifle off to my gunsmith for a cut, thread and handguard replacement. Went around the corner to get some subway and it was done and ready to be picked up before I finished my sub!

Originally Posted by Old_School

What is the official definition of "arms item"?

Here it is ...!