Firearm Registry Data Questions and Answers

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

right so heres a bit of a tinfoil hat concept....
that book under counter...lets just say for arguments sake the cops in Timaru SUSPECT that so in so has bought gun but hasnt registered it..... a quick look in book...yip hes bought something..double check register,nope oh dear he is in the shit
lets suggest the same fella has already got "all" his guns on register and drops rifle in to have suppressor fitted....6 mths later some clever dick looks at the "book under counter" of the suppressor fitting company and hello hello whats this then???? joe bloggs got suppressor fitted onto a 7mm mag serial number #13579suckymotto and he DOESNT have that rifle registered...oh dear hes in the shit
but in typing that...if and when we good law abiding folks do get around to registering our firearms,being good law abiding folks we will do them all and hope for the best in future...its a case of kay sarah sarah and not a hell of a lot we can do about it
news on radio just now, the police top brass saying ACT saying they will repeal register is just vote grabbing..WELL HELLO that says something in itself does it not??? wait n see and dont stress..no point stressing about something you can do nothing about.

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We have to use the online portal. So I can only assume that you will get hit up if buying a firearm from a dealer and then not registering your guns in 30 days.

Thanks for that Coop.Ammo purchases only become notifiable after 24/6/2025 ?am i right

kind of makes the magnetic strip in the FAL itself seem not so silly now afterall......so you swipe card as make purchase etc etc etc and details recorded against purchase....

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Originally Posted by kotuku

Thanks for that Coop.Ammo purchases only become notifiable after 24/6/2025 ?am i right

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Yes 2025.
Guncity have a good video out explaining all the details but one thing I wasn't aware off was is that it's a progressive roll out.
Doesn't sound like the ability exists yet to do private sales online yet.
Also if you want to view your information you have to get another code from a police station.

Got a link for the video

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Originally Posted by outdoorlad

Got a link for the video

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https://youtu.be/wAYQUalmJZk

Hopefully that works but if you go to guncity YouTube channel it's there.
There is a shorter version with just the highlights but it misses a few points that's worth watching.

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Originally Posted by Wingman

An easy mistake to make bro...

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Don't those quadruplets look alike!

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Originally Posted by kotuku

Thanks for that Coop.Ammo purchases only become notifiable after 24/6/2025 ?am i right

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Yup. Just be aware that we still have to record ammo purchases but it's not going onto the Police part, just internal records.

I've read over the whole thread, and the info on the website about registering, and the events that will start the clock on registering. But what i am unclear on is buying a suppressor. It is not listed as a 'major part' as far as I can see/understand, however, it looks as if it is open to interpretation (real helpful).
Would you consider a suppressor to be a 'major part' or something that would start the registering process?

As we are finding everyone has a different interpritation of all this. Im no expert but a major part to me would be a part that the firearm needs to have to fire a round. A suppressor to me would be an accesory as it can fire with or without it.

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Originally Posted by JohnQT

I've read over the whole thread, and the info on the website about registering, and the events that will start the clock on registering. But what i am unclear on is buying a suppressor. It is not listed as a 'major part' as far as I can see/understand, however, it looks as if it is open to interpretation (real helpful).
Would you consider a suppressor to be a 'major part' or something that would start the registering process?

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@stug has answered this by quoting the relevant part of the Regulations. The answer is that suppressors are not a major part.

Correct suppressor are not major parts but if the rifle is at a gunsmith for greater than 30 days for say fitment then this is a trigger event

Noice. Just one of things I don't want to make a mistake on

I guess the same question can be asked about a stock. According to the legislation, a stock is a firearms part, even needing a 43a to order online. However, according to the register's definition, a stock is not a "major part" and does not need to be registered?
So which version do we go with? Do I register a spare stock or not?

Exactly. There are some grey areas there. I guess if it has no serial number so can't be registered...??? However, a stock is a necessary component of a firearm (not to fire, but to be a useable product (unlike a suppressor which is not necessary for a usable product)), so would that make it a major? Or because it is not directly related to the operation of firing, is it not?

I just got off the phone to "My Firearms Support" and now have it in writing that a suppressor purchase will NOT start the registry. Maybe worth a call to check on the stock situation too? Can never be too careful with this I believe.

Gun parts (which include "major gun parts" ) have requirements eg mail order form. Major gun parts have a additional specific requirements, like being registered.

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Originally Posted by JohnQT

Exactly. There are some grey areas there. I guess if it has no serial number so can't be registered...??? However, a stock is a necessary component of a firearm (not to fire, but to be a useable product (unlike a suppressor which is not necessary for a usable product)), so would that make it a major? Or because it is not directly related to the operation of firing, is it not?

I just got off the phone to "My Firearms Support" and now have it in writing that a suppressor purchase will NOT start the registry. Maybe worth a call to check on the stock situation too? Can never be too careful with this I believe.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Please read post #46 & 47 in this thread

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Please read post #46 & 47 in this thread :)

Have an email from the grand poobah of spankcarrots saying that all endorsed items need to be registered as they have "different details"

Sounds like you lost the data bro:

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Originally Posted by 308

Have an email from the grand poobah of spankcarrots saying that all endorsed items need to be registered as they have "different details"

Sounds like you lost the data again bro:

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Fixed it for you

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Originally Posted by JohnQT

Exactly. There are some grey areas there. I guess if it has no serial number so can't be registered...??? However, a stock is a necessary component of a firearm (not to fire, but to be a useable product (unlike a suppressor which is not necessary for a usable product)), so would that make it a major? Or because it is not directly related to the operation of firing, is it not?

I just got off the phone to "My Firearms Support" and now have it in writing that a suppressor purchase will NOT start the registry. Maybe worth a call to check on the stock situation too? Can never be too careful with this I believe.

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This is not a grey area, if you read the definition of firearm items in relation to the register, it says exactly what parts need to be registered.

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Originally Posted by 308

Have an email from the grand poobah of spankcarrots saying that all endorsed items need to be registered as they have "different details"

Sounds like you lost the data bro:

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They do not until you have a Triggering Event and then you enter them on the new register.

It's really very simple if you actually read what it says.

My favourite misunderstanding are the people who think that ammunition needs to be registered in 2025.

So do "major parts" all need individual serial numbers stamped on them? Every spare barrel etc?

Mintie......READ THE ABOVE..... no mention of a barrel...... its right there in post #100

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Originally Posted by Mintie

So do "major parts" all need individual serial numbers stamped on them? Every spare barrel etc?

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A barrel is not a major firearm part as defined for the register. Read my post above, that lists major firearm parts.

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Originally Posted by Mintie

So do "major parts" all need individual serial numbers stamped on them? Every spare barrel etc?

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I need a definitive list of what constitutes a ‘major part’.
I know what would be at the top of the list but how far down in size/importance does the list go?

Goodness me

Jeeez can you even begin to imagine what is going to happen country wide when this all kicks in. The members of this forum would arguably be some of the more informed regarding the requirement around the rules and regs surounding firearms registration. If there is confusion here then the mind boggles as to how the the rest or the firearms owning population interpret this clusterfuck.

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

I need a definitive list of what constitutes a ‘major part’.
I know what would be at the top of the list but how far down in size/importance does the list go?

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Jesus Christ. Its written in an enormous font on the previous page. Its an extraordinarily short list of three lines.

I am sure the people that passed this law never thought is wasnt going to work simply because firearms users would simply refuse to read it.

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Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury

Jesus Christ. Its written in an enormous font on the previous page. Its an extraordinarily short list of three lines.

I am sure the people that passed this law never thought is wasnt going to work simply because firearms users would simply refuse to read it.

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OK! I read what is listed, at this stage it seems clear, I wonder if it changes as time goes by.?

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Originally Posted by zeropak

Jeeez can you even begin to imagine what is going to happen country wide when this all kicks in. The members of this forum would arguably be some of the more informed regarding the requirement around the rules and regs surounding firearms registration ...

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You reckon? I wouldn't agree with that statement after reading this thread :D

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Originally Posted by Shamus_

You reckon? I wouldn't agree with that statement after reading this thread :D

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You really need to hear what non-forum members think they know about the registration!:D

the ones I've spoken to aren't even aware of this registration thing..

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Originally Posted by blip

the ones I've spoken to aren't even aware of this registration thing..

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Yeah likewise, heaps of people have no idea. Especially a few farmers who don't spend much time on the internet.

Youd think if they wanted a decent rate of compliance they could send you an email. They sent me a couple prior to the gun grab so no reason why they cant again.

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

You really need to hear what non-forum members think they know about the registration!:D

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"What registration?"

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Originally Posted by blip

Youd think if they wanted a decent rate of compliance they could send you an email. They sent me a couple prior to the gun grab so no reason why they cant again.

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I'd say that's why they have it over a 5 year period. Gives everyone plenty of time on both sides. I highly doubt they'll come down on anyone too hard in these early days if there was a mistake made.

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Originally Posted by blip

Youd think if they wanted a decent rate of compliance they could send you an email. They sent me a couple prior to the gun grab so no reason why they cant again.

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I received an email. Check your spam folder!

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Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

"What registration?"

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The dog registration event in Auckland :D:D

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

You really need to hear what non-forum members think they know about the registration!:D

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Yeah mate my point exactly