First Tippmann M4s in 22wmr have landed

Have just seen last night that the first of the new Tippmann ARs in 22wmr have popped up for sale! At a RRP of $2499($2349 at Reloders, but sold out, more due Feb), they’re definitely the cheapest rimfire AR that isn’t in 22lr. I think a key make or brake will be IF they run well suppressed, without significant FTF and jams, only time will tell, but if they can do what they did the 22lr version, make an excellent rifle, and at $2000 cheaper than a gunceaft 22mag AR, they should be onto a winner!!

https://www.deltamike.co.nz/product/...ite-22-magnum/

https://broncos.co.nz/firearms/rimfi...elite-22magnum

https://www.reloaders.co.nz/shop/Hun...num+Rifle.html

https://www.gunsupplies.co.nz/new-ar...mi-auto-rifle/

Im curious as to the use case of these. Won't be able to use them in rimfire competitions (SPARC series etc). Maybe service rifle?

Possibly a good pest control gun, but you would be into big money once you put a thermal on it. Would almost be worth trying to get a P endorsement for a real AR.

22plinkster did a good video on them
https://youtu.be/5-7BFVWpYf8?si=SlPiLbKmikjJl4Ok

Got one, put over 200 rnds through it already absolutely flawless. Two thirds running a dpt suppressor. Teamed up with a sytong lm 25 thermal absolutely deadly on possums and rabbits

Sorry I'm to old school for that .

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Im curious as to the use case of these. Won't be able to use them in rimfire competitions (SPARC series etc). Maybe service rifle?

Possibly a good pest control gun, but you would be into big money once you put a thermal on it. Would almost be worth trying to get a P endorsement for a real AR.

22plinkster did a good video on them
https://youtu.be/5-7BFVWpYf8?si=SlPiLbKmikjJl4Ok

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I'd say the only real use case would be small landholders with goats who don't qualify for a P gun. Although 22 mag is not enough for goats IMO.

That's a lot of money for shooting tactical rabbits 30 metres further away.


(So saying, and I am slightly blushing as I write this, I would like an M1 carbine in .22 mag...)

I'm guessing these are being bought for pest control wallabies, peacocks, goats, etc.

Where guys want a big more ompf than 22lr but can't get a P category licence. Maybe service rifle too.

Definitely an expensive toy, but not that bad really.
If all you are wanting is to make noise and bang steel then it's cheaper to feed than a straight pull AR.

A semi-auto 22mag would make a great pest gun if you really need speed. But I reckon a howa mini with a bunch of spare magazines, wouldn't be much slower and a damn sight more useful.

Old man has one now. Commercial pest control. He has P but plenty of doc tenders state only rimfire to be used. He has a contract around the Hermitage at Mt Cook for example and all shooting within a certain distance of the buildings etc must be rimfire only. Gets expensive using an AR to cull rabbits and hares anyhow..

The platform itself is also attractive to the commercial guys as if you can have your complete system across a single platform ie:AR15 your proficiency at getting shit done in the dark etc becomes a lot better. He has a tippman 22lr also and AR15 so everything is same controls, same handgrips, same suppresor, same mounts and thermals etc and he tells me he likes the simplicity of the AR15 takedown especially when running hundreds of rounds a night through a suppressed rimfire, everything else he used beforehand ie: cz 512, excel arms, mag research all require fiddly takedown in the field

Completely agree. I just note professionals are different boat to the rest of us.

Had mine out today for its first run. Only got to do serious accuracy testing at 50m - shot 30gr V max, 45gr Critical Defense and 40gr Super X well below 1".

I moved out to 100, but we had a hiccup - broken disconnector in the fire control group. I have replaced the whole thing with an Elfman unit, so might sneak back out tomorrow.

I got mine for service rifle club days, as well as shooting geese and goats on the farms I occasionally have access to.

Whole different creature to a 22lr semi. Some loads feel like a 223 AR with the gas dialed back. It's fun.

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The platform itself is also attractive to the commercial guys as if you can have your complete system across a single platform ie:AR15 your proficiency at getting shit done in the dark etc becomes a lot better.

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Exactly the same for me, my Tippmann is cut to the same length, same handguard and similar grip and stock as my P cat AR so that I get all the muscle memory from the day to day jobs when I need to take the AR out instead.

Some preliminary accuracy testing. My particular rifle favours the two Hornady branded loads. Group sizes were almost identical at 50m


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Do these things have magazines of more than 10 rounds legal in NZ on P2? And on related note is it still illegal to get more than 10 rd mags in 22LR on P1/2? It amused me that pest controllers could legally import 30rd mags for AR15s but could not import 15 or 25rd 10/22 mags. The reason I ask is if P1/2 people can use magazines of more than 10 rds in 22mag, then does the associated rifle become a P1 rifle like would have been the case under E category? I have not seen anything about this in the legislation.

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Do these things have magazines of more than 10 rounds legal in NZ on P2? And on related note is it still illegal to get more than 10 rd mags in 22LR on P1/2? It amused me that pest controllers could legally import 30rd mags for AR15s but could not import 15 or 25rd 10/22 mags. The reason I ask is if P1/2 people can use magazines of more than 10 rds in 22mag, then does the associated rifle become a P1 rifle like would have been the case under E category? I have not seen anything about this in the legislation.

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I don't think legislation prevents the importation of a high capacity 0.22 mag, It's just that the magazine is the prohibited item in that instance, not the rifle. You require the endorsement/s to own the prohibited magazine, it doesn't affect the rifle.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Standby for a rule change under regulations in council I'd suggest! This is another example of why the current setup is too bloody labour intensive by far - every time something new comes out there has to be a reaction in rules. Just because a mag is P-restricted shouldn't create a heap of drama elsewhere, but...

If you had the need, a good toy though. I'd wonder about the cross over to a shotgun platform in these cases though, a slug load you can reload yourself to save costs would probably not run much more than WMR???

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Do these things have magazines of more than 10 rounds legal in NZ on P2? And on related note is it still illegal to get more than 10 rd mags in 22LR on P1/2? It amused me that pest controllers could legally import 30rd mags for AR15s but could not import 15 or 25rd 10/22 mags. The reason I ask is if P1/2 people can use magazines of more than 10 rds in 22mag, then does the associated rifle become a P1 rifle like would have been the case under E category? I have not seen anything about this in the legislation.

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As soon as you have a high capacity mag for a firearm it becomes a P endorsement firearm (regardless of what capacity mag is in it) and can only be used for P endorsement activities. I looked at getting a P endorsement and a mag extension for my shotgun for goose hunting, but I was told that then I couldn't use it for duck shooting.

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As soon as you have a high capacity mag for a firearm it becomes a P endorsement firearm (regardless of what capacity mag is in it) and can only be used for P endorsement activities. I looked at getting a P endorsement and a mag extension for my shotgun for goose hunting, but I was told that then I couldn't use it for duck shooting.

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@Rich007 did you clarify that with PNHQ? I fully understand that a shotgun wiht a fixed mag exceeding 5 rds is P only, but is there any legislation for a firearms wiht a detachable magazine, which is A cat with 10rd, but P cat with more than 10? I have not seen this answered in the legislation but could have missed something.

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I don't think legislation prevents the importation of a high capacity 0.22 mag, It's just that the magazine is the prohibited item in that instance, not the rifle. You require the endorsement/s to own the prohibited magazine, it doesn't affect the rifle.

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@Roamr things may have changed but certainly when P1/2 was started in 2019/20 22lr mags were restricted to 10rds only, on the assumption it is easy enough to carry multiple loaded mags. I agree I don't think this was in legislation but the police would not issue import permits for more than 10rds. I assumed at the time that this was to avoid the confusion we had wiht A vs E cat semi autos, where the only significant difference was the mag capacity. It made sense that all semi auto rimfires were to be A cat only, and all semi atuo centrefires to be P only, but with so many pest controlers using these rifles it made me wonder if the rules had changed and more than 10rd mags were allowed.

[QUOTE=Ben Waimata;1644851]@Rich007 did you clarify that with PNHQ? I fully understand that a shotgun wiht a fixed mag exceeding 5 rds is P only, but is there any legislation for a firearms wiht a detachable magazine, which is A cat with 10rd, but P cat with more than 10? I have not seen this answered in the legislation but could have missed something.

I got this from the Firearms Safety Authority. I didn't ask about firearms with detachable magazines, but don't think it would be any different. The point was that I couldn't take the magazine extension off and use it for duckshooting as it would be a P endorsement firearm

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@Rich007 did you clarify that with PNHQ? I fully understand that a shotgun wiht a fixed mag exceeding 5 rds is P only, but is there any legislation for a firearms wiht a detachable magazine, which is A cat with 10rd, but P cat with more than 10? I have not seen this answered in the legislation but could have missed something.

I got this from the Firearms Safety Authority. I didn't ask about firearms with detachable magazines, but don't think it would be any different. The point was that I couldn't take the magazine extension off and use it for duckshooting as it would be a P endorsement firearm

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That answers the question thanks, they are obviously using the same rules as under E cat.

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Completely agree. I just note professionals are different boat to the rest of us.

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Not relly, except for the high round count everything else is relevant.

Used the Magnum Tippmann for a club service rifle match today. We had a strong headwind that was switching from 11 to 2 O'clock. I was shooting with a 4x Acog and Armscor 40gr ammo. It is easily competitive at 100m, no issue getting V's at 200m. A bit dicey in the wind at 300m but still managed to get 8/10 on a Fig 11. A 223 easily beats it at this range but that isn't rocket science.

I suppose they will be open class in service rifle as they don't fit into any other category. 5, 600 be a stretch.

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I suppose they will be open class in service rifle as they don't fit into any other category. 5, 600 be a stretch.

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Waste of time beyond 300. I don't think I'll worry about asking to have them included in MSC. Hopefully back to centrefires in a year or so anyway. If not, might not bother.

Fingers crossed...... won't be cheap to tool up again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-7BFVWpYf8 looks like fun

So what sort of accuracy are they generally providing with preferred ammo?
1 moa or better at a hundy?