Fully suppressed 22…. Your thoughts please

Hi Guys,

After your thoughts, I am looking to add a fully suppressed bolt action 22 to the range and was after your opinions. I can go with a couple of options, either a cheaper rifle (turkish jw 15 sort of thing) or going with a Savage.

The the suppressors would be the same on both, barrels cut down a full length anodized aluminium cans fitted.

The cheaper option would be likely around $900 and the Savage option around the $1200 mark

So what do you think……if it’s your hard earned cash what would you buy

Thanks
Darren

Whats the intended use? for how long do you intend to keep this rifle?

over that time period, do 300 make a difference?

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Originally Posted by STC

Whats the intended use? for how long do you intend to keep this rifle?

over that time period, do 300 make a difference?

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Sorry you missed understand, I am looking to make them to sell……so what do you guys want and what are you thoughts on what you would spend

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Originally Posted by Fssprecision

Sorry you missed understand, I am looking to make them to sell……so what do you guys want and what are you thoughts on what you would spend

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apologies :-)

personally I would choose the option that I trust to shoot better.

good idea trigger first single action fully adjustable weight can go down to 1.5 - 2 lb -- barrell match barrell this rifle is going to shoot extremly well - bolt the best I have used would be the BRNO - safety able to lock firing pin not the trigger - stock an option of nice walnut ( obviously price would reflect that ) or modular maybe all alloy with adjustments for length and cheek fit for scope - but overall a shooter and lighter- a rifle to carry and use as well as target

Those original ported and suppressed ones that MAE made were very impressive. Should still be a market for them orchards etc. Of course MAE has long gone.

Sorry what is the point of the fully suppressed 22? I have standard dpt cans on all my 22s, and run either subs or quiets - and all I hear is the trigger click and then the impact. I cannot see the point of slowing down the bullet when you can just buy slower ammo?

A lot of people like shorter compact nature of this style without a muzzle forward can

Keep it compact and tidy,eg can hard to stock or as you say complete over barrel. Much fun to use and bolt action Vs semi would be a nice option. As to slowing projectiles down....the 22lr doesn't need much to reach full velocity from my understanding and long barrels can be slower.why some short barrels struggle to stay subsonic. @mudgripz has done lots of alterations ,be interesting to hear his thoughts.

I wouldn't pay $900 for a fully suppressed JW-15 (it's just a Turkish JW-15 copy after all).
I also wouldn't pay $1200 for a suppressed Savage.
I suggest there is a very small market for these types of fully suppressed .22 rifles. The purchase price is high and the extra noise reduction you get over a standard quality muzzle forward suppressor does not justify the increased cost.

Build an integrally suppressed 1022 barrel in a bull barrel profile.

Or figure out a way to do it to a customers existing rifle thats affordable

I had a fully suppressed rem597. Once the ports blocked up it didnt work on high vel ammo. Friend had a savage shorty that was a cool little unit

Hi Darren
the above post of 55six is good perhaps just stay with the Rossi Monty single shot or a Rascal that has a good trigger and then there is also the Lill Badger
we might need a private talk hahaa

What @vulcannz and @Hermitage said. A very limited market and cost-to-benefit gains from spending additional $500 or so just aren't there.

We shoot bazillions of bunnies here in Cantab with tuned, chopped sporters - only sometimes suppressed. Common barrel length - 16". Opinions vary but HV 22LR is at terminal velocity in barrel by about 14-15", and we never chop them shorter because we commonly shoot bunnies at 100m - average 70m - and we need every ounce of impact. Would not want to lose ft/lbs with fully suppressed barrel setup.

Subsonics through a good silencer on your 22 are very quiet, and your rifle still has full High Velocity ammo performance capability for when you need HVs. More versatile and alot cheaper.

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Originally Posted by blip

Or figure out a way to do it to a customers existing rifle thats affordable

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That may be time/cost prohibitve as every one will be different so there's no cost savings to be had by doing a small production run.

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Originally Posted by No good names left

That may be time/cost prohibitve as every one will be different so there's no cost savings to be had by doing a small production run.

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Yep you are correct Theresa with my suppressed shotguns I don’t retro fit. We get set up for a gun and just supply new modified guns

Cheers

Gundoc built lots of fully suppressed.22’s with ported barrels.


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MAYBE there is small market for a different slip on suppressor that isn't rifle specific??? One that will slide onto any barrel without foresight and clamp in place??

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

MAYBE there is small market for a different slip on suppressor that isn't rifle specific??? One that will slide onto any barrel without foresight and clamp in place??

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I've threaded enough .22LR barrels to know that they runout so far that I wouldn't like to use a slip-on. It's quite interesting how well one of mine shoots compared to how bent & offcentre it is.

I don’t even run a suppressor on my Brno anymore just shot subsonic ammo,it’s quiet enough,just use suppressor on my short barrel 10/22.

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That may be time/cost prohibitve as every one will be different so there's no cost savings to be had by doing a small production run.

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What if youve got a kit ready to go for some of the popular rifles people might do it to. Jw springs to mind....

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What if youve got a kit ready to go for some of the popular rifles people might do it to. Jw springs to mind....

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Thanks for the suggestion but I prefer to supply a new gun complete, 1 it can make the package more competitively priced as I can get the gun wholesale. 2 the minute you touch someone’s second hand gun you instantly inherit and own all the faults it had before you got it


Also the primary reason I wouldn’t want to touch semis, various issues can arises quite often with ammo/brand sensitivity but of course you would be responsible

To answer your original question, if I was putting down $900, an extra $300 to ensure that I was getting something good, would be a no brainer, but as others have said, there is probably a limited market.

I bought an ISSC straight pull several years ago, I had it chopped by 100mm and a bushing made up to fit my .223 suppressor. At the range, people ask if I am dry firing.


If you could make a full length suppressed howa mini (or similar) that fired 9x19 (call it the modern worlds answer to the De Lisle), that is something that doesn't have much competition.

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Originally Posted by Fssprecision

A lot of people like shorter compact nature of this style without a muzzle forward can

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I have a 11.5" barreled CZ455 with a muzzle forward can. Will this be shorter?

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Originally Posted by longshot

To answer your original question, if I was putting down $900, an extra $300 to ensure that I was getting something good, would be a no brainer, but as others have said, there is probably a limited market.

I bought an ISSC straight pull several years ago, I had it chopped by 100mm and a bushing made up to fit my .223 suppressor. At the range, people ask if I am dry firing.


If you could make a full length suppressed howa mini (or similar) that fired 9x19 (call it the modern worlds answer to the De Lisle), that is something that doesn't have much competition.

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Another potential option if the gun is strong enough, would be a 9mm barrel to go with your suppressed .410, like a 9mm/.410 version of the Rossi matched pair.

I used to have a integrally supressed 10/22 and it was the ducks nuts, worst of the noise was projectile impact and the clacking of the bolt sliding back over the FCG back into the buffer, downside was the henious price tag

If I was to go down that route again for a bolt gun I’d probably find a Brno 2e or early JW15, rock solid, and we all know they are robust and accurate, they are either bad out of the box, or can be remediated into good shooting rifles with a tickle up

Another semi option I would look into getting converting would be a browning SA-22 as it could be split in half, and the suppressor would form the hand guard, so would basically split into integrated suppressor, and action/stock with the tube mag captive at the rear.

The one advantage to that would be being able to have it offset lower like a delisle, and maximise retail for gas dispersion.

Im sure there are more normal and less eccentric options for semis.

One problem with shortening some semis you have to play around with the springs to get them to cycle properly. It is doable tho just a lot of mucking around

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I used to have a integrally supressed 10/22 and it was the ducks nuts, worst of the noise was projectile impact and the clacking of the bolt sliding back over the FCG back into the buffer, downside was the henious price tag

If I was to go down that route again for a bolt gun I’d probably find a Brno 2e or early JW15, rock solid, and we all know they are robust and accurate, they are either bad out of the box, or can be remediated into good shooting rifles with a tickle up

Another semi option I would look into getting converting would be a browning SA-22 as it could be split in half, and the suppressor would form the hand guard, so would basically split into integrated suppressor, and action/stock with the tube mag captive at the rear.

The one advantage to that would be being able to have it offset lower like a delisle, and maximise retail for gas dispersion.

Im sure there are more normal and less eccentric options for semis.

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I like ya thinking browning like that yeah I would be into that

The 10/22 take down would be worth it as well. Actually ruger in the USA sell a fully suppressed version with the tax stamp.
Or at least has one.

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One problem with shortening some semis you have to play around with the springs to get them to cycle properly. It is doable tho just a lot of mucking around

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Hence my comment above, I am doing a bolt action not a semi

What about the Rossi 8122? RRP of $299, so wholesale would be even cheaper. I’ve owned one and shot 3-4 others, all grouped well within an inch at 50m with bulk ammo, triggers aren’t the best though, but I would much rather that than a new Jw-15, and would be a decent amount cheaper than the Savage. Also available with black, pink or green synthetic stocks, or a wood stock, so decent variety for people.

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They come with 3/8 dovetail groove, and I believe “most”(unsure if all) come with picatinny bases. BUT, could be a cool option, if you were to go with the Rossi, to buy some generic picatinny rails and drill to the receiver, to make the mounting of NV, thermal or red dot sights a lot easier. They also come with two 10 round mags from the factory, which is nice

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What about the Rossi 8122? RRP of $299, so wholesale would be even cheaper. I’ve owned one and shot 3-4 others, all grouped well within an inch at 50m with bulk ammo, triggers aren’t the best though, but I would much rather that than a new Jw-15, and would be a decent amount cheaper than the Savage. Also available with black, pink or green synthetic stocks, or a wood stock, so decent variety for people.

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Yep great idea thanks and as you say a reasonable balance between quality and price....Cheers

Also worth noting that Rossi is also rebadged as a Mossberg and Citadel (and who knows what else). They just have different furniture, and the Citadel comes with a picatinny rail.