This is getting ridiculous....

For the first time since I can remember, having sold my last remaining two centrefire rifles, my gunsafe consists only of my lonely little 10/22, so its fair to say im looking forward to recieving my new finnlight.....
I have lived at my current address for going in four years now, I notified the police when I first moved here and even after a follow up phonecall a year later they have still not come to re-check my security.
Went into the local police station the other day and got the form all done to send away to the seller, then I get a phonecall this morning from firearms licensing at chch central police station informing me that since my security hasnt been re-checked, they cant forward the form to the seller untill its been done. Was told they would "try" and get out and do it next week sometime.
I got a speeding fine a year or so back (I paid it straight away) followed by letters in the mail nearly every second day with big red writing telling me how many days I had left to pay it, seems when our police want something they can send us threatening letters yet they can take as long as they want to sort things themselves, Four f$@*ing years they have had to do it and now im left waiting before I can recieve my new rifle, not real happy.

Public Service in a world of it's own, my wife who is a public servant has three floors of surplus office furniture sitting in storage it's been sitting there for who knows how long gathering dust

I moved 3 times in 8 years, updated my details with the Police each time and bought countless items requiring the mail order form and import permits.
Wasn't until I applied for my E-Cat that they every actually inspected my security for the first time. 8 years!

Ask them where in s43a does it requires them to mail it to an approved location, and which section of the act or regulations allows them to refuse to perform their lawful duty.

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I'd get on the phone to them and put some acid on them, it's their issue not yours, ask why haven't they come to remove you other firearms if they think your security needs to be checked before possessing firearms?

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

Ask them where in s43a does it requires them to mail it to an approved location, and which section of the act or regulations allows them to refuse to perform their lawful duty.

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Funny thing is, I havnt even asked for it to be mailed to my address, I have asked for it to be sent straight to hunting and fishing in Rangiora to avoid any problems with the Rural Mail man having to deliver it (we are rural and couriers wont deliver to us, they deliver to the rural mail instead and he forwards it)
Obviously the AO has received the form and gone to check my details and realised I havnt been re-checked (for four years...)
So you guys reckon theres no way he can legally refuse to forward the form based only on the fact that they have taken four years to get their A-into-G?
Was already a bit impatient knowing the long weekend etc was going to slow things down a bit, now god knows how long I am going to have to wait for them to come check my safe etc. :pissed off:

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Originally Posted by Savage1

I'd get on the phone to them and put some acid on them, it's their issue not yours, ask why haven't they come to remove you other firearms if they think your security needs to be checked before possessing firearms?

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Rang just now.... AO out on duty, will call me back..... :ORLY:

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Rang just now.... AO out on duty, will call me back..... :ORLY:

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Ryan I have a dollar in my pocket that says he won't call you this side of ANZAC Day.

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Originally Posted by Rushy

Ryan I have a dollar in my pocket that says he won't call you this side of ANZAC Day.

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Or ever man just keep ringing them

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Rang just now.... AO out on duty, will call me back..... :ORLY:

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He was probably the one who answered the phone.

About a year ago I moved, and notified the police of this, I then applied for my E cat endorsement and had the hard copy of the new endorsed license arrive about two months later. It wasn't til after that that a police officer came around to check my security at my "new" address, I asked her why the chap who checked my E cat safe couldn't just tick a box on a different form to say that I lived where I lived and that he'd checked the security anyway. She didn't know, and as it turned out, the police didn't budget to pay the arms officers/helpers/whatever to check peoples security upon a change of address, only when issuing and renewing licenses, so it had to be a police officer to check, and this poor woman (who turned out to be a cop from Middlemarch) had to drive all the way to Dunedin to spend 5 minutes looking at a safe that had been checked a few weeks beforehand. I don't envy the AO's though, the system may be broken but they sure as hell seem over-worked and under-staffed, and they have to put up with all us gun nuts =). I can just imagine the local arms officer's reaction when my buddy put through the paperwork for the MG53 (Yugo MG42) he just got: "You want to import a belt-fed what from Eastern where?!"

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Originally Posted by tommygun

About a year ago I moved, and notified the police of this, I then applied for my E cat endorsement and had the hard copy of the new endorsed license arrive about two months later. It wasn't til after that that a police officer came around to check my security at my "new" address, I asked her why the chap who checked my E cat safe couldn't just tick a box on a different form to say that I lived where I lived and that he'd checked the security anyway. She didn't know, and as it turned out, the police didn't budget to pay the arms officers/helpers/whatever to check peoples security upon a change of address, only when issuing and renewing licenses, so it had to be a police officer to check, and this poor woman (who turned out to be a cop from Middlemarch) had to drive all the way to Dunedin to spend 5 minutes looking at a safe that had been checked a few weeks beforehand. I don't envy the AO's though, the system may be broken but they sure as hell seem over-worked and under-staffed, and they have to put up with all us gun nuts =). I can just imagine the local arms officer's reaction when my buddy put through the paperwork for the MG53 (Yugo MG42) he just got: "You want to import a belt-fed what from Eastern where?!"

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I feel like we need more details and pics on this mg

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Attachment 47360 Me with the MG, basically a carbon copy of the MG42, reverse engineered by Yugoslavia/Serbia from captured 42's. The belt of dummy rounds is what the owner displays it with when he goes to gun shows, he's really into his cold-war era collectibles

I recognise that garage, great guy who own it.

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Originally Posted by bluemonsta

I recognise that garage, great guy who own it.

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For sure, I hope I can have a gun room like his one day too.

Update: have talked to firearms in Chch on the phone again this morning, tried explaining that nowhere in the legislation does it say that my security needs to be rechecked before sending any mail order forms, also explained that there is nowhere where it says that the firearm must be sent to my current or "registered" address, things got a little heated and I decided to give up before I end up with them purposely making things difficult for me. So basically now I'm still left waiting untill they decide to send someone to do the check. Bloody hell this is frustrating!

I dont understand whats going on here Ryan songhurst, Firstly, you can buy a rifle of anyone you want or a HNF shop without a problem. Secondly you can have your rifles stored at your address with no problems either be it if the police have come to check the new address yet or not ,
Just because you getting a mail order form sent as you buying a rifle out of town what gives the police the right to refuse to sent it because they havent checked the new address yet?? Its B/S. You already got rifles there now havnt you, whats the problem.
And techically you not even getting it sent there but to a HnF shop. I be ringing them up everyday and get someone to explain what the problem as they breaching your rights. . If they still be arses about it you buying it and your mate is using it , and hes keeping it until my address is checked.....as its not actually being sent to you can they really refuse........(prob as the AOS officer does what he likes :wtfsmilie:) Otherwise, get a mate to buy it and give it to you as soon as it arrives :thumbsup:

I would be playing nicely, and waiting patiently.

Haha this is a bloody joke, after arguing on the phone with them this morning (not with the actual arms officer but with the people that man the phones) and them telling me they refuse to send through the form to the seller untill the check is done I just checked my email and have received the following, seems like the head doesn't know what the feet are doing...

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/...psimhebg3d.jpg

:thumbsup: .. If other people have moved and the police havnt done their job yet and inspected the new address and you want to buy a rifle out of town i suggest you get a mate to sent the mail order form and get it sent to them or a HnF shop. Then go get it as soon as it arrives as will save B/S like this :) of breahing your rights or the hassles and phone calls

Id be travellin into little old chch and getting an appointment with the police area commander .place this tale of being shagged about and tell him as youre a taxpayer paying his salary could he kindly dispense with riding his desk and deliver a swift arse kick to parties concerned!
service it aint
.yes were all short staffed /under resourced in a lot of govt departments but attending to requests promptly is still manageable within reason.

http://www.ipca.govt.nz/site/complaints/default.aspx

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Originally Posted by Tahr

I would be playing nicely, and waiting patiently.

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And I would be very careful what you post on a public forum, ChCh cops hunt as well, and may not be impressed by your rant.

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Originally Posted by oneshot

And I would be very careful what you post on a public forum, ChCh cops hunt as well, and may not be impressed by your rant.

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Im not really too bothered if someones not impressed with "my rant" its bloody hopeless when it takes so long to have something simple done, and then most probably due to the attention firearms are getting in the media lately etc I get dicked around because even the police are not sure how they should be going about things. My Sister in law is a cop, and my sister is about to be, trust me, what I have written here is the watered down version and they with me that right now there is a bit of confusion among the ranks as to just exactly how things should be done. Still not an excuse for taking so long to have security checks done, there are tons of stories out there, many of them from members of this very forum, of them not being done, or taking an unacceptable amount of time.

PS: Received my rifle yesterday, very happy, finally :)

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Originally Posted by oneshot

And I would be very careful what you post on a public forum, ChCh cops hunt as well, and may not be impressed by your rant.

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Its not a rant, its the facts, it is ridiuculous how the whole process is. I suspect any cop thats a hunter will totally agree..just that they prob dont have to get fu k around by the system like the rest of us.
If you havnt been checked yet, you still have firearms at your new address, you can still buy any firearm you like local or travel to get one or get your mate to buy one. But if you want to buy one out of town and you want it sent, even thou you doing it basicly thru the police as they sending the forms and know where its going its the biggest joke around that they refuse.
Any police officer with half a brain can work that one out and so can the rest of us. We all should be emailing the powers to be and making a conplain and getting it sorted with some common sense

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

PS: Received my rifle yesterday, very happy, finally :)

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And what a nice rifle it is,right name,right caliber. :thumbsup:

Still waiting for security check.advised 10/13.

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Originally Posted by madjon_

And what a nice rifle it is,right name,right caliber. :thumbsup:

Still waiting for security check.advised 10/13.

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Shit I've had 3 in that time .........................but one of my guns is one of those "evil black mind controlling ones". Maybe thats why??

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Originally Posted by mikee

Shit I've had 3 in that time .........................but one of my guns is one of those "evil black mind controlling ones". Maybe thats why??

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I believe this will play a huge part in this process.