Gun City Japanese Arisaka type 38s

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Originally Posted by Tommy

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles...0m/0dm/083000c

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soo cool!

Just been reading up on these and interesting apparently the action was almost indestructible.
I'll post the story on here tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by SEdan

Hey guys, sorry for the delay, I haven't been on in a while!

I dont know a huge amount, but I do know we bought them from a movie company/armoury in Australia, who provides firearms for films. Its why a handful of them are chambered to take blanks.

I can find out a little more, but the guys are overseas at the moment, so comms are limited

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@SEdan

Any interesting details emerged from your talk with the guys?

Quoted from Bolt Action Rifles 4th edition

By Frank de Haas and Dr. Wayne van Zwoll

"This report is from the May 1952 issue of The American Rifleman.

It describes a Type 38 Arisaka 6.5mm which was rechambered to accept the 30-06 cartridge. The 6.5mm barrel was NOT rebored, only the chamber was enlarged. The fellow who did the rechambering accomplished it by grinding down the pilot of a 30-06 reamer so it would enter the bore. After rechambering he test fired it. Nothing much happened so he used the rifle on a hunting trip and killed a deer with it. Because the rifle kicked so hard he took it to a reputable gunsmith who discovered what the owner had done with it and what he was shooting in it. Because the rifle was still intact after firing a number of 30-06 cartridges, the gunsmith sent the rifle to the NRA. The NRA staff then fired some more 30-06 rounds through it, and it seems incredible that neither the barrel nor the action burst, for just imagine firing .308" bullets through a .2642 groove diameter barrel! If one were to deliberately plan a touture test or blow-up test on the 6.5mm Japanese rifle one could hardly think of a better scheme, even though it is a little crazy.

That this particular rifle did not burst, certainly proves that the bolt, receiver and barrel were made of the best heat-treated steels. It also shows that the breech locking system is excellent."

He then goes on to say.

"I wonder what would have happened with the 6.5mm Arisaka rifle chambered for the 30-06 cartridge if the head of one of the cartridges had cracked our split open when fired, rather than expanded evenly. I think the results would have been different."

That that I'm suggesting you go out and test fire the rifle that you have brought from GC, but I thought you might find this of interest.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Sideshow

Quoted from Bolt Action Rifles 4th edition

By Frank de Haas and Dr. Wayne van Zwoll

"This report is from the May 1952 issue of The American Rifleman.

It describes a Type 38 Arisaka 6.5mm which was rechambered to accept the 30-06 cartridge. The 6.5mm barrel was NOT rebored, only the chamber was enlarged. The fellow who did the rechambering accomplished it by grinding down the pilot of a 30-06 reamer so it would enter the bore. After rechambering he test fired it. Nothing much happened so he used the rifle on a hunting trip and killed a deer with it. Because the rifle kicked so hard he took it to a reputable gunsmith who discovered what the owner had done with it and what he was shooting in it. Because the rifle was still intact after firing a number of 30-06 cartridges, the gunsmith sent the rifle to the NRA. The NRA staff then fired some more 30-06 rounds through it, and it seems incredible that neither the barrel nor the action burst, for just imagine firing .308" bullets through a .2642 groove diameter barrel! If one were to deliberately plan a touture test or blow-up test on the 6.5mm Japanese rifle one could hardly think of a better scheme, even though it is a little crazy.

That this particular rifle did not burst, certainly proves that the bolt, receiver and barrel were made of the best heat-treated steels. It also shows that the breech locking system is excellent."

He then goes on to say.

"I wonder what would have happened with the 6.5mm Arisaka rifle chambered for the 30-06 cartridge if the head of one of the cartridges had cracked our split open when fired, rather than expanded evenly. I think the results would have been different."

That that I'm suggesting you go out and test fire the rifle that you have brought from GC, but I thought you might find this of interest.

Cheers

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No different, outcome, except it might have been harder to extract the split shell. The Type 38 has top vent holes in the receiver, and an ingenious way to allow gases entering the bolt around the firing pin to travel backwards only to eventually be redirected forwards by the rear cap / palm safety. It effectively has four locking lugs, two primary, two secondary. In addition to two strong locking lugs, it also has (1) port side spare locking lug (hits against the bolt stop on port side, to avoid wearing the business surface of the port locking lug) and (2) the bolt handle on the starboard side, functioning as a rear locking lug.

Some additional protection to shooters eyes from the dust cover. It would stop direct debris from the top of the bolt travelling directly back, but might let some gases travel backwards underneath it. A really big bang up front would likely lift up the front of the dust cover, but it would stay attached at the rear and thus still deflect stuff from going straight back.

The thing is over engineered. Estonia even re-bored Type 38s from 6.5mmx51SR to 7.7x56R (.303 Brit).

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Originally Posted by Cordite

No different, outcome, except it might have been harder to extract the split shell. The Type 38 has top vent holes in the receiver, and an ingenious way to allow gases entering the bolt around the firing pin to travel backwards only to eventually be redirected forwards by the rear cap / palm safety. It effectively has four locking lugs, two primary, two secondary. In addition to two strong locking lugs, it also has (1) port side spare locking lug (hits against the bolt stop on port side, to avoid wearing the business surface of the port locking lug) and (2) the bolt handle on the starboard side, functioning as a rear locking lug.

Some additional protection to shooters eyes from the dust cover. It would stop direct debris from the top of the bolt travelling directly back, but might let some gases travel backwards underneath it. A really big bang up front would likely lift up the front of the dust cover, but it would stay attached at the rear and thus still deflect stuff from going straight back.

The thing is over engineered. Estonia even re-bored Type 38s from 6.5mmx51SR to 7.7x56R (.303 Brit).

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No such thing nothing like a little belt and braces:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Cordite

@SEdan

Any interesting details emerged from your talk with the guys?

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Hey mate - sorry, I haven't been on this forum in ages, so I apologise for any late responses to anything.

I did have the chat, but the information was basically as I'd already mentioned. They were movie props that we acquired ex-Australia, from a film armorer. This is why some have been re-chambered (for blanks).

There really isn't any more information I was able to glean i'm sorry!

Love my 2 Arisakas...well put rifles.Attachment 97897

Nice havnt seen one with the bipod before.

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Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Nice haven't seen one with the bipod before.

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Never mind the dust cover! Early T38s had the monobipod too.

They are all cock-on-close like the Lee Enfield (and early Mausers) so lend themselves to lighter two-fingered bolt operation. I checked, you can JUST operate the straight bolt with thumb/index finger and fire with middle finger for rapid sequence shots. With the bent bolt of the sniper versions this would feel just natural. Never seen this mentioned in write-ups about Arisakas.

Anyone know how much gunsmiths charge to bend a bolt handle?

Arisaka 99https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6a9414f42c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3a7881026b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...79d46f4a36.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c24d397ca5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...565ac912c6.jpg

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The fold out rear sight wings are notched for anti-aircraft...100, 200, 300 nautical miles from memory. https://youtu.be/y2EkEsvwARE

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

The fold out rear sight wings are notched for anti-aircraft...100, 200, 300 nautical miles from memory. https://youtu.be/y2EkEsvwARE

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Better not go hunting on DOC land with it, they'll get you arrested on suspicion of eyeing 1080 helicopters. (-:

Ha, I doubt I'll ever fire it.

Here is my collection...I think I've got the main bolt actions from WWII. The MAS36 and Springfield 06 were the hardest and last to get. The folding Carcano bayonet I managed get through EBay luckily, it is my favourite bayonet.

Attachment 97930

I never tire of seeing it.

Finally got it to post right way up. I should take a photo of the helmut of the left. WWII Japanese with the soldier's name beautifully etched in Kanji.

Great representative collection. @Tikka7mm08 is that a bazookathingame?

on the first picture whats the rifle thats shown vertical ?

It is a 3" mortar tube. I have the brass WWII sight as well...very cool. Thinking of selling mortar stuff and just having rifles and WWII handguns when B cat comes thru.

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

on the first picture whats the rifle thats shown vertical ?

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French MAS 36. Beautiful action and clever bayonet storage.

Yes inside the front end. Ive always wondered why they went bolt action when semi automatic was on the horizon.

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Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Yes inside the front end. Ive always wondered why they went bolt action when semi automatic was on the horizon.

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Isn't that bleedingly obvious?!? You just can't trust a conscript army with MSSAs.

Otherwise, maybe bolt actions do better at surviving getting dropped.

I think the French did well in the circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

I think the French did well in the circumstances.

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As did the Germans, the British, the Japanese, the Russians. War is but a lot of wasted creativity.

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Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

Here is my collection...I think I've got the main bolt actions from WWII. The MAS36 and Springfield 06 were the hardest and last to get. The folding Carcano bayonet I managed get through EBay luckily, it is my favourite bayonet.

Attachment 97930

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Nice

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Originally Posted by Cordite

As did the Germans, the British, the Japanese, the Russians. War is but a lot of wasted creativity.

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that may well be so old chap but surely you must agree .lead is a dreadfully effective contraceptive.

And its the answer to the over crowded prison problem

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Originally Posted by northdude

And its the answer to the over crowded prison problem

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Awkward silence. Not super funny. Keep trying. o-:

it wasnt ment to be funny

Some bayonets, Japanese WWII helmet and 3" Mortar sight.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1b4142239f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...23c497118e.jpg

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Originally Posted by Cordite

Awkward silence. Not super funny. Keep trying. o-:

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reality in all its brutality was never intended to be a bunch of roses!

Anyone got an Stg44?


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