Thread: Gun Porn, show off your new toys

Originally Posted by Ryan

@Tahr

Have you visited the USA? Do you know any Americans? What does becoming "Americanised" actually mean?

Do you have any operational military or law enforcement experience or have you lived in high threat environment where carrying a weapon was necessary?

If not, there are several on this forum that have - I don't see what grounds you have to criticise equipment or methods if you've never been in a position to experience why these are necessary. Remember that these are people who are prepared, should the need arise, to do violence on your behalf... if they can get there in time that is.

From what I've read, nobody is attempting to glorify the killing of people. Ask anyone who has taken a life, unless they are a gangbanger, crack fiend, almost all will tell you that when it's done one feels sad and empty inside - it's not a good feeling. It is however interesting to read of other people's experiences in situations where violence is expected and often commonplace.

There's stuff on here I don't like or find interesting, I generally don't comment on it or try tell them that their views are wrong - I move on.

"Opinions are like arseholes..." If there was something sensitive or against the grain of the forum that the moderators took umbrage with, they'd moderate it.

Have visited the States many times. Studied there. Uk. Europe.
We have done our bit, and made our sacrifices. Father was awarded the Military Cross for bravery. That experience and what followed in the Pacific ruined his life and greatly affected mine. And prejudiced me against some of the stuff that's being talked about here. Those are my grounds to comment.
I am not a combatant nor need to be, because I live in NZ. If called to, I'm too old now in any event. I have in the main dedicated my life to peace building, and that is my profession. I teach it, and do it.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Have visited the States many times. Studied there. Uk. Europe.
We have done our bit, and made our sacrifices. Father was awarded the Military Cross for bravery. That experience and what followed in the Pacific ruined his life and greatly affected mine. And prejudiced me against some of the stuff that's being talked about here. Those are my grounds to comment.
I am not a combatant nor need to be, because I live in NZ. If called to, I'm too old now in any event. I have in the main dedicated my life to peace building, and that is my profession. I teach it, and do it.

If peace is what you teach and value I commend you mate. But I have some bad news for you.
The hatred for our way of life and its coupled violence, will most certainly hit our shores in our lifetime.




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Originally Posted by R93

If peace is what you teach and value I commend you mate. But I have some bad news for you.
The hatred for our way of life and its coupled violence, will most certainly hit our shores in our lifetime.




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Exactly, which makes the comments from O'connor about a mass killing in the future have a plausible ring about it. Not withstanding that his views about registration et al may be flawed.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Exactly, which makes the comments from O'connor about a mass killing in the future have a plausible ring about it. Not withstanding that his views about registration et al may be flawed.

Got to agree with Tahr - this and the other forum are being quoted more and more frequently in news articles. Not that I don't think military firearms are awesome, but bringing unwanted attention by discussing American truck guns/body armour/what guns we carry to kill people is asking for us to be viewed even worse here.

Much like when people put videos up of their dogs chewing the shit out of a pig instead of sticking it quickly. Just doesn't pay to bring that negative attention when already under scrutiny. Why make it easier for people to make the general public think we are nutters?

Originally Posted by MikeB

Got to agree with Tahr - this and the other forum are being quoted more and more frequently in news articles. Not that I don't think military firearms are awesome, but bringing unwanted attention by discussing American truck guns/body armour/what guns we carry to kill people is asking for us to be viewed even worse here.

Much like when people put videos up of their dogs chewing the shit out of a pig instead of sticking it quickly. Just doesn't pay to bring that negative attention when already under scrutiny. Why make it easier for people to make the general public think we are nutters?

Well said

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Tahr I respect your viewpoint - it is a noble desire to want peace. I think we all do.

Peace as a concept, does not exist. It is temporary. Peace doesn't come naturally - it is enforced, one of my favourite sayings is "Si vis pacem, para bellum (If you desire peace, prepare for war).

Accordingly one should the need arise, be prepared to defend themselves and their peers from the next disruption of peace.

New Zealand is very lucky in that it is the most geographically isolated country of any significance on earth. Untouched by any war except domestic conflicts. Any country wanting to conquer New Zealand would need to project and sustain forces over large distances - and control Australia first.

It won't last forever. In a world of depleting resources and expanding population growth and requirements for resources, New Zealand will be, I feel - the last untapped resource. I think a sense of preparedness would hold us in good stead.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Have visited the States many times. Studied there. Uk. Europe.
We have done our bit, and made our sacrifices. Father was awarded the Military Cross for bravery. That experience and what followed in the Pacific ruined his life and greatly affected mine. And prejudiced me against some of the stuff that's being talked about here. Those are my grounds to comment.
I am not a combatant nor need to be, because I live in NZ. If called to, I'm too old now in any event. I have in the main dedicated my life to peace building, and that is my profession. I teach it, and do it.