Are these any good and any reason to look elsewhere? Priced well for the size.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...3070866089.htm
Thanks
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Are these any good and any reason to look elsewhere? Priced well for the size.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...3070866089.htm
Thanks
It says the door is 3mm, which to me probably means the rest is thinner steel, which would mean it doesn’t meet the police guidelines (and the guidelines may become law in the near future).
Plus the handle can have force applied to it.
You are better off with ones with only a keyhole.
From the answered question it looks like the walls are 3mm as well. As Cigar points out most of them have walls thinner than the door so being 3mm is a plus.
The description is a bit chinglish? I went and looked at safes imported by a Chinese guy. He wasn't there only his father who couldn't speak English. I didn't purchase.
I had a Kilwell and it was 3mm door, 2mm walls. I only ever viewed it as a cabinet.
Don't be fooled by the 3 sliding bolts. On the Kilwell they are short stubs with a tab welded on the end which connects to a very flimsy mechanism.
Kilwell has top and bottom bolts as well which may give added security. The list one appears to have 3 side bolts.
They're all made in China. Terrible welds usually with lots of unremoved weld splatter, painted over.
The one you have shown is probably ok no better or worse than the others of the type. Price is lower than purchasing say from Reloaders.
If you're able, go and view it.
Also ask the seller what it weighs. That may confirm the claim of 3mm walls. The Kilwell 10 gun weighs 75 kilos IIRC.
Hello, my like button has pissed of to places unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
Yes, agreed.
What is the police requirement regarding wall and door thickness in the near future?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
you could make a safe from 20mm cobalt steel but if some scumbag has a knife to your wifes or kids throat it will get opened up quick smart
My jaundiced view is that we may all and up requiring the equivalent of the E cat which would drive a lot away from ownership.Quote:
Originally Posted by outlander
Yeah, we were all sitting around at the range one day and the discussion got onto safes. Lots of opinions some overtalking others, then the club president quietly stated any safe can be opened with a pocket knife...........Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
I was going to like that...but cant ...I do however agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
I hope one of the boys drove his car home for him...Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
i think he was referring that if under threat of himself or family getting sliced open he would open the safeQuote:
Originally Posted by outlander
Buy Kiwi made.
https://tsl-and-select-engineering.m...ions/frontpage
Thanks, got it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
The ones illustrated in GOT-YA's post have a 2mm constructed door and wall and are recognized as legal. Has the law changed again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
The law hasn't changed yet, but..........Quote:
Originally Posted by outlander
From the Secure Storage Guidelines for Firearms on the Police website
"Steel cabinets, containers and receptacles should have walls and a door of at least 3mm thick steel. If the cabinet, cont ainer or receptacle is constructed of steel less than 3mm, bracing must be added to provide equivalent strength. The bracing should be to such a level to stop the door or the safe from twisting. "
This is currently not law, only a guideline, but the proposed new regulations (Proposals for new Regulations under the Arms Act 1983 (Phase One)) include:
"The regulations in relation to firearms security to be amended to include a requirement that a licence holder’s security measures are to be approved in writing by a member of Police, following an inspection, on a case-by-case basis. This will involve individual approvals of both storage boxes, cabinets, safes, racks and similar and the manner in which they are locked and/or secured to the building containing them. The standards on which approvals will be based will be those set out in the Secure Standard Guidance, so that those standards will become enforceable. There would be some clarification in the regulations on the security standards to better link them to the Secure Storage Guidance."