Thread: Gun too short.

This is a possible silly question, so go easy on the whipping please. Hypothetically, if one were to install a FAB Defense pistol grip onto an 18" barrel pump shotgun and it came up short of 762 mm by 15 mm, would it be a criminal offence in the eyes of the law? What would the punishment be and would knocking a muzzle brake onto the end of the barrel make it all legal again and worth the bother? Is there a know case where a person has been convicted and sentenced for been 15 mm short ..?

No, it’s not a silly question. It’s a stupid one.

The law says its 762mm. Not 762mm ish.

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

No, it’s not a silly question. It’s a stupid one.

The law says its 762mm. Not 762mm ish.

There are no stupid questions. Well only the ones that were not asked. The fact that he asked shows he is not silly enough not to.

As a response, yes 15mm is too short. If it is not 762mm and it is capable of being fired then it is not long enough. It can be shorter than 762mm (in cases of take downs etc) but they must not be able to fire when taken down like that.

Argh, shucks. You sound like the law,Boss!

And dont go measuring it with one of those "special" fishing rulers or the rangefinder @Dundee has

If you do put something on the muzzle, a brake or extended choke tube etc, make sure its loctited on & can't come off.....

Apparently if you are close & unscrewing the recoil pad makes it short you are in trouble in the eyes of some....

Just don’t put a pistol grip only on a shotgun because it’s dumb as heck

as for your last question.....yes but sheilahs dumping a fella cause its "just too short" probably isnt what you ment.

Originally Posted by gimp

Just don’t put a pistol grip only on a shotgun because it’s dumb as heck

Righto. Thanks for that, explains it all. What on earth was I thinking..?

sticking a muzzle brake on a shotgun.......do you not like your hearing or something????? by wanting something that short I asume you looking to use as bail gun and want it as easy to carry as posible???? find a 20" barrel and swap........ the novalty of pistol grip will wear off pretty darn quickly a .12ga has a fair old boot to them and not being shoulder mounted can be problamatic.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

sticking a muzzle brake on a shotgun.......do you not like your hearing or something????? by wanting something that short I asume you looking to use as bail gun and want it as easy to carry as posible???? find a 20" barrel and swap........ the novalty of pistol grip will wear off pretty darn quickly a .12ga has a fair old boot to them and not being shoulder mounted can be problamatic.

Live a little. Life is supposed to be fun sometimes, at least.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

sticking a muzzle brake on a shotgun.......do you not like your hearing or something????? by wanting something that short I asume you looking to use as bail gun and want it as easy to carry as posible???? find a 20" barrel and swap........ the novalty of pistol grip will wear off pretty darn quickly a .12ga has a fair old boot to them and not being shoulder mounted can be problamatic.

I was planning on duct taping a sofa cushion over each ear to deaden the sound...just like I always do when shooting a gun.

Muzzle brakes aren't even included in police's OAL policy.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Muzzle brakes aren't even included in police's OAL policy.

I thought they were? A semi permanent muzzle device like a muzzle brake that is either loctite on or pinned is acceptable? That's why ase utra and OD bore lock cans are great for ar-15's.

Originally Posted by Square22

I thought they were? A semi permanent muzzle device like a muzzle brake that is either loctite on or pinned is acceptable? That's why ase utra and OD bore lock cans are great for ar-15's.

No, absolutely not. And anyone telling you otherwise will land you in hot water my friend.

As police have said in their "Measuring length of MSSA Firearms classification approval" document:

"The length of any firearm is measured without any “attachments” (whether or not “permanently” attached (e.g. welding, pinned)), such as flash-hiders, silencers, muzzle brakes, or barrel extensions. In the case of rifled firearms (such as rifles and Pistols), barrel length will be determined by measuring from the muzzle to the bolt face (excluding anything attached beyond the muzzle), this means that the chamber is included in the measurement of the barrel, not just the rifled portion. The exception is for revolvers in which barrel length is determined by the barrel only and excluding the chamber. "

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def..._-approval.pdf