Thread: Gun too short.

This is a possible silly question, so go easy on the whipping please. Hypothetically, if one were to install a FAB Defense pistol grip onto an 18" barrel pump shotgun and it came up short of 762 mm by 15 mm, would it be a criminal offence in the eyes of the law? What would the punishment be and would knocking a muzzle brake onto the end of the barrel make it all legal again and worth the bother? Is there a know case where a person has been convicted and sentenced for been 15 mm short ..?

No, it’s not a silly question. It’s a stupid one.

The law says its 762mm. Not 762mm ish.

And dont go measuring it with one of those "special" fishing rulers or the rangefinder @Dundee has

If you do put something on the muzzle, a brake or extended choke tube etc, make sure its loctited on & can't come off.....

Apparently if you are close & unscrewing the recoil pad makes it short you are in trouble in the eyes of some....

Just don’t put a pistol grip only on a shotgun because it’s dumb as heck

sticking a muzzle brake on a shotgun.......do you not like your hearing or something????? by wanting something that short I asume you looking to use as bail gun and want it as easy to carry as posible???? find a 20" barrel and swap........ the novalty of pistol grip will wear off pretty darn quickly a .12ga has a fair old boot to them and not being shoulder mounted can be problamatic.

as for your last question.....yes but sheilahs dumping a fella cause its "just too short" probably isnt what you ment.

Muzzle brakes aren't even included in police's OAL policy.

Nothing to do with the latest post by FOUNZ on facebook about national MP Alastair Cook siding with the coppers to amend the act over sawn off and possible interpretations by said coppers?

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

No, it’s not a silly question. It’s a stupid one.

The law says its 762mm. Not 762mm ish.

There are no stupid questions. Well only the ones that were not asked. The fact that he asked shows he is not silly enough not to.

As a response, yes 15mm is too short. If it is not 762mm and it is capable of being fired then it is not long enough. It can be shorter than 762mm (in cases of take downs etc) but they must not be able to fire when taken down like that.

You clearly have a MUCH lower threshold than I as to what qualifies as stupid.

Let’s put his question into context.

‘Yes your honour, I know the legal drink drive limit is 400mcg (yes 250mcg blah, blah) but I only blew 415. Surely that means I should be okay.’

Or

‘Yes your honour, I know theft is not legal, but it was only $15. That’s so close to nothing that I should be okay right?’

Or

‘Yes your honour, I know rape is illegal, but I only used 15mm of my penis. That’s so close to nothing that I should be let go right?’

Actually, you know what, you’re right it’s not a stupid question. It’s a fucking stupid question. If I was a mod I would kill it. Stupid shit like that on a public forum about a retarded setup (I mean really, a pistol grip only on a short shotgun?? WTF!!!) does us all no good!

Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

You clearly have a MUCH lower threshold than I as to what qualifies as stupid.

Let’s put his question into context.

‘Yes your honour, I know the legal drink drive limit is 400mcg (yes 250mcg blah, blah) but I only blew 415. Surely that means I should be okay.’

Or

‘Yes your honour, I know theft is not legal, but it was only $15. That’s so close to nothing that I should be okay right?’

Or

‘Yes your honour, I know rape is illegal, but I only used 15mm of my penis. That’s so close to nothing that I should be let go right?’

Actually, you know what, you’re right it’s not a stupid question. It’s a fucking stupid question. If I was a mod I would kill it. Stupid shit like that on a public forum about a retarded setup (I mean really, a pistol grip only on a short shotgun?? WTF!!!) does us all no good!

I agree all your examples shown are correct in that small amounts are still illegal. What I was getting at and what you may have missed, is questions that are asked and answered lead to more information prior to making a decision. I will use your second one as an example.

‘Yes your honour, I know theft is not legal, but it was only $15. That’s so close to nothing that I should be okay right?’ He is not asking AFTER he has done this, he is asking "Your honour, if I take the $15 will I still get into trouble?" The answer is yes he will then he now knows not to take the $15. Whether he should have known before or not is questionable and a smart person would probably figure that out rather easily. But it is still better that he asked rather than make presumptions.

He is also asking if his idea of a solution would be acceptable in that situation (again probably not) but I will concede it would have been smarter to ask an AO rather than the internet....

Originally Posted by Jexla

Muzzle brakes aren't even included in police's OAL policy.

I thought they were? A semi permanent muzzle device like a muzzle brake that is either loctite on or pinned is acceptable? That's why ase utra and OD bore lock cans are great for ar-15's.

Argh, shucks. You sound like the law,Boss!

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

sticking a muzzle brake on a shotgun.......do you not like your hearing or something????? by wanting something that short I asume you looking to use as bail gun and want it as easy to carry as posible???? find a 20" barrel and swap........ the novalty of pistol grip will wear off pretty darn quickly a .12ga has a fair old boot to them and not being shoulder mounted can be problamatic.

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