Thread: Gun too short.

Originally Posted by Square22

I thought they were? A semi permanent muzzle device like a muzzle brake that is either loctite on or pinned is acceptable? That's why ase utra and OD bore lock cans are great for ar-15's.

No, absolutely not. And anyone telling you otherwise will land you in hot water my friend.

As police have said in their "Measuring length of MSSA Firearms classification approval" document:

"The length of any firearm is measured without any “attachments” (whether or not “permanently” attached (e.g. welding, pinned)), such as flash-hiders, silencers, muzzle brakes, or barrel extensions. In the case of rifled firearms (such as rifles and Pistols), barrel length will be determined by measuring from the muzzle to the bolt face (excluding anything attached beyond the muzzle), this means that the chamber is included in the measurement of the barrel, not just the rifled portion. The exception is for revolvers in which barrel length is determined by the barrel only and excluding the chamber. "

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def..._-approval.pdf

Originally Posted by Jexla

No, absolutely not. And anyone telling you otherwise will land you in hot water my friend.

As police have said in their "Measuring length of MSSA Firearms classification approval" document:

"The length of any firearm is measured without any “attachments” (whether or not “permanently” attached (e.g. welding, pinned)), such as flash-hiders, silencers, muzzle brakes, or barrel extensions. In the case of rifled firearms (such as rifles and Pistols), barrel length will be determined by measuring from the muzzle to the bolt face (excluding anything attached beyond the muzzle), this means that the chamber is included in the measurement of the barrel, not just the rifled portion. The exception is for revolvers in which barrel length is determined by the barrel only and excluding the chamber. "

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def..._-approval.pdf

What firearms require barrel length measurement? I'm aware of overall length but not barrel length in the legislation.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

What firearms require barrel length measurement? I'm aware of overall length but not barrel length in the legislation.

Pistols on a B endorsement have to have a minimum four inch barrel.
That's not in law, but is something to do with the agreement between the cops and Pistol NZ I think.
There's a couple of approved pistols with barrels under four inches, but are approved because they are only designed for ISSF type target shooting.

Originally Posted by Jexla

No, absolutely not. And anyone telling you otherwise will land you in hot water my friend.

As police have said in their "Measuring length of MSSA Firearms classification approval" document:

"The length of any firearm is measured without any “attachments” (whether or not “permanently” attached (e.g. welding, pinned)), such as flash-hiders, silencers, muzzle brakes, or barrel extensions. In the case of rifled firearms (such as rifles and Pistols), barrel length will be determined by measuring from the muzzle to the bolt face (excluding anything attached beyond the muzzle), this means that the chamber is included in the measurement of the barrel, not just the rifled portion. The exception is for revolvers in which barrel length is determined by the barrel only and excluding the chamber. "

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def..._-approval.pdf

Are you sure this has not been reconsidered? When was this dated?

The reason I ask is because of this link from late last year:

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...inimum-length/

Is someone from the kiwigunblog on here that could explain this a bit better?

Originally Posted by Jexla

No, absolutely not. And anyone telling you otherwise will land you in hot water my friend.

As police have said in their "Measuring length of MSSA Firearms classification approval" document:

"The length of any firearm is measured without any “attachments” (whether or not “permanently” attached (e.g. welding, pinned)), such as flash-hiders, silencers, muzzle brakes, or barrel extensions. In the case of rifled firearms (such as rifles and Pistols), barrel length will be determined by measuring from the muzzle to the bolt face (excluding anything attached beyond the muzzle), this means that the chamber is included in the measurement of the barrel, not just the rifled portion. The exception is for revolvers in which barrel length is determined by the barrel only and excluding the chamber. "

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def..._-approval.pdf

They should be out there policing the traffic, or arguing about the Talmud.