Put a permit to import request in with the police and had it refused. Anyone had this happen or is it just a down right can't import bayonets? M1 garand bayonet.
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Put a permit to import request in with the police and had it refused. Anyone had this happen or is it just a down right can't import bayonets? M1 garand bayonet.
On what grounds was it refused just out of curiosity?
Customs act 1996 section 54. When I look online can't find a thing. Typical
I brought two in my luggage declared them at customs and they were confiscated and held untill the import licence was done. Took at least 2 months but I do have them.
See customs.govt.nz and search for Prohibited Imports, firearms and weaponry. They are a prohibited import requiring Police approval. May be a case of finding the right AO to get a permit...
As you have what I assume is a e cat rifle that it would fit I'm surprised you had your permit refused. Never done it myself but I have known others to have no problem, they just said that the correct dated one was not available in NZ in suitable condition.
Suppose I better call the AO and find out exactly why. But they are a little average at manakau. Thanks guys
I emailed NZ Police prior to coming over from Australia. Explained that I wanted to bring a SMLE bayonet with me. Got a short reply just asking for my address, received permit within a few weeks.
When I declared it at the airport, stating I had a permit. Nobody cared, didn't ask to see it or the permit. Go figure.
It does seem a bit dumb that they are a prohibited item. You can buy far more dangerous knives at your local sports store, and a bit of gaffa tape around the barrel and the knife and you have yourself the same 'functionality'.
I brought 4 bayonets in from US of A about 3 years ago in one import batch. All with scabbards, 2 x Spanish FR8 and 2 x ersatz German "things".Had to go and get written approval from Constable Plod and then await their arrival.
Customs letter duly arrived telling me they had arrived and been impounded. I toddled out to their depot at AK airport and was told, you can only have one of each type, regardless of holding a police permit for all four. That's it.
So arrived home with only 2. About a year later I received a letter from Customs saying they were going to dispose of the two and to put forward any reasons as to why they should not. I pointed out that I had approval for all four and at least I would like to have the two scabbards for the impounded pair as scabbards were not prohibited imports, but again told no.
I have also brought in from USA and Australia, again with police permits for each but a different times, a Martini Enfield, Martini Henry and a Lee Enfield # 5 bayonet.
Was surprised to find then delivered to my door without the expected Customs impounding letter and a visit to their lair.
Weird but to be expected I suppose and you can blame Comrade Helen as it as she who added bayonets to the list of prohibited items when she and Helen 2 reigned supreme.
Bullocks. You have to wonder what is so terrifying about bayonets.
Looks scary and that is all that matters. Must be a hangover from charging trenches defended by wire and machine guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Sorry, didn't like using that analogy given the events of 100 years ago, but we aren't celebrating the stupidity or ridiculous tactics of the time.
@savageshooter has brought a few in recently and had no probs getting paperwork
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Originally Posted by Spanners
I had no problems getting the paper work (from the Fire Arms Officer) either, in fact he said it was a stupid decision to prohibit them...............just Customs. I think the Customs chappie was one of those self opinionated officious pricks as I did not challenge him in any way, just produced the permit and asked for the goodies.
Did they give any reason for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper
They (Customs) are not the approving authority for prohibited weapons import, the NZ Police are. NZ Customs have no authority to reject the consent of any importation approved by the NZ Police under the Customs Import Prohibition Order 2011.
No, in both instances. We all know they are not the approving authority, but I have found it is always wiser not to antagonise the local jumped up bureaucrat if you are going to have to come into contact with them again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
An exception, where I made was where I was not going to have any contact again, was with the Local DOC office who wanted me to pay a non refundable $300 fee just to seek their authority to shoot Harriers, which they indicated they would probably not approve. It ended with their then current Minister writing and apologising.. heheh
I do not believe questioning an individual about his decision is antagonistic at all. Especially when his decision is causing ones lawful property to be forfeited for no justifiable reason.
If a person fully complies with the regulatory framework, and is then stopped from his lawful business due to an individual making a prejudiced or incorrect action/decision, that act/decision should be questioned and corrected in accordance with the law. By not challenging it, you're allowing this action/decision to be repeated on others, and affirming that this individual has an authority which he does not legally hold. YMMV
Update 1.
I rung the arms officer today. And asked if they knew why my request for a permit had been refused. They were as confused as me about it, having never had such an item refused. Then they informed me that my mate Joe Green is no longer working for us. And that a women has taken the reins! And not in there words but pretty close We are fucked! I think I would have to agree. Sent here a letter today pleading to approve it. Will update when I get a reply. Probably won't even get one.
I asked my AO and he said fine if you have a good reason. "It looks pretty" might raise a few eyebrows. "I want to use it in a competition because the rules say so and cant source one in NZ" Is far more probable.
regards
Does service rifle now include a bayonet charge event ?!? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by steven
They have and will be done, but the main point of making folks fit one half way thru a match is normally the point of impact changes,same as shooting from various stances
When I asked for my bayonet .....The arms officers (as far as I was advised) sent the request to Police national head quarters in Wellington, who approve/deny the request. As long as you supply them a good enough reason, Mine was I purchsaed an L1A1 at auction and also want a new bayonet for it(as NZ ones were pretty crap and over priced), had purchased the L1A1 tools also.......permit showed up no problem
As i read more above, Joes gone. The grapevine said they were bringing in someone tougher as Joe was considered by some to be too soft....what better way to be anti gun is bring in a woman who no doubt cant tell a barrel from a buttstock or buckshot from bullshit!
Update 2
Response from the queen of permits herself.
Thank you for your correspondence,
The relevant application to import an offensive weapon (bayonet) has been refused and a reconsideration based on the additional information you have provided does not affect that decision.
NZ Police is under no legal obligation to permit entry into New Zealand of any offensive weapon and on this occasion we exercise our discretion to refuse such entry.
Seems quite one sided to me. What do you guys recommend I do? M1 Garand bayonets in NZ when you can find them are dam expensive!!
It is complete horseshit, some should point NSA or similar at them and get them to go to town on it. I'd even go as far as to say that looks like a canned response.
Another thought, has anyone considered a C-Cat license-based application? Might gain a bit more traction if it's for a collection? Probably not I guess.
Disappointing.
There is no right of appeal in the statute and no common law right of appeal.
Your options as I see it:
-Grin and bear it.
-Apply again at a later date.
-Apply for a Judicial Review
You can not apply under C Category. It is a completely different legislative act.
The upside is that it appears that she as resigned from the role.
When was this? My import permit was signed on the 24th of last month by her.
Last couple of days
Heat, kitchen etc?
I'll do the job. Sign me up NZ police
gimp for king of NZ, he shall not fail us.
She declined all of my E-cat permits requests, including one where the local AO had accidentally added some five round mags onto the E-cat permit request (required by a US exporter).
Glad to hear she's gone - hope the new one is better.
Stuff for yourself, or resale as a dealer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbirdsteve
Sent from my XT535
I have heard talk that permits were being yayed or nayed by someone else and that she was simply signing them off. I have also heard that this someone else may be the next person in the big chair. Something to look forward to?
She declined both my personal stuff and dealer stock, stating that dealers are not permitted to import items for stock (Gun City says this on their website too). The only approval I got from her for stock was for a load of pistols, but they were B cat and the law permits restocking imports. My last E-cat approval for stock was in May for hi-cap mags (just released from Customs last week), but all others have been declined. I think I might have to manufacture them myself instead.
I've heard the same regarding her binning every application
I put in an Import permit for bayonets last week. Will report back when I get an answer.
I see fishpond.co.nz are selling bayonets for the AR15, model Ontario 6277 M7-B
Ontario 6277 M7-B Bayonet (Black) by Ontario Knife - Shop Online for Kitchen in NZ
Thats a good way to lose a $100...and a possible charge........
The Q is, Why do you want it?
I have an import permit for a 1913 bayonet sitting here I just got, while I search for one (they last 12months), but I had to have a good reason to satisfy my AO to get it.