Thread: Heckler & Koch SP5 (MP5A3)

Finally got it set up exactly how I want it. This is an H&K SP5 (semi auto MP5), set up in an A3 form, with a Surefire 628 light front end. Any other MP5 owners?

Lucky bugger, we can’t have one of those here.

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Lucky bugger, we can’t have one of those here.

We aren't too much better here. These are sold as "pistols", meaning no stocks, and you have to file the same paperwork you'd need to file for a suppressor or a machine gun to be able to put a stock on them. It's a $200 tax to the government, and you have to wait for your paperwork to be approved.

Originally Posted by Joe Bob Briggs

We aren't too much better here. These are sold as "pistols", meaning no stocks, and you have to file the same paperwork you'd need to file for a suppressor or a machine gun to be able to put a stock on them. It's a $200 tax to the government, and you have to wait for your paperwork to be approved.

I know what you mean, I’ve a friend who manages a gun shop in Texas and hell, you guys have to jump through hoops to get a suppressor, not sure why the authorities are so anal about them.

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Lucky bugger, we can’t have one of those here.

We can but you have to have the right license endorsement and can't fire it...unless it's for held under a theatrical endorsement.

this is what happens when people with no idea make the laws

Originally Posted by Bill999

this is what happens when people with no idea make the laws

I think they'd like us to think they have no idea. What it all boils down to is control, and government hates giving up control.

Iv never been so interested in joining the theatre

weird girls and machine guns, IM IN.

My MP5A3 (select fire) is complete with collapsing and fixed stocks and QD suppressor. Mine is not H&K but the more reliable POF licensed version. Original H&K's have a parts breakage problem due to extra hard components. POF have gone for toughness rather than hardness and have a more reliable product as a result.

Originally Posted by gundoc

My MP5A3 (select fire) is complete with collapsing and fixed stocks and QD suppressor. Mine is not H&K but the more reliable POF licensed version. Original H&K's have a parts breakage problem due to extra hard components. POF have gone for toughness rather than hardness and have a more reliable product as a result.
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Sorry, but that's total BS lol.

Originally Posted by Joe Bob Briggs

Sorry, but that's total BS lol.

What's BS about it? Do you have something against Pakistan Ordnance Factory productions? They know their guns, might say they have real gun culture there.

Originally Posted by Cordite

What's BS about it? Do you have something against Pakistan Ordnance Factory productions? They know their guns, might say they have real gun culture there.

Being new to a forum does not equate to being new to firearms. I'd love to see empirical data showing that the Pakistanis can produce a better MP5 than Heckler & Koch.

ETA, I see you edited your post. I'm not saying the POF is a bad firearm, but that's a bold statement to say that the POF guns are netter than a German built MP5.

Originally Posted by Joe Bob Briggs

Sorry, but that's total BS lol.

Have a quick shufti at my profile and you will see that I have a smidge of experience in this field. My criticism of H&K is based on years of personal experience repairing (and using) their products. There is also the fact that I have seen and handled the large pile of dead MP5's that have failed in use by an unmentionable group within our Defence Force. My own experience with a good few MP5's over the years only reinforces my comments.

I will add that H&K guns go well until they stop. Those fairly frequent times are almost always caused by parts breakage.

Originally Posted by gundoc

Have a quick shufti at my profile and you will see that I have a smidge of experience in this field. My criticism of H&K is based on years of personal experience repairing (and using) their products. There is also the fact that I have seen and handled the large pile of dead MP5's that have failed in use by an unmentionable group within our Defence Force. My own experience with a good few MP5's over the years only reinforces my comments.

I will add that H&K guns go well until they stop. Those fairly frequent times are almost always caused by parts breakage.

How many high round count POF MP5s have you handled? And what failures did you see on the HK rifles? Most breakdowns of roller delay guns are due to extractor springs, magazines, and bolt gap.

Originally Posted by Joe Bob Briggs

How many high round count POF MP5s have you handled? And what failures did you see on the HK rifles? Most breakdowns of roller delay guns are due to extractor springs, magazines, and bolt gap.

About half a dozen POF's, all of which never gave any problems and are still going. Rifle problems are fractured receiver covers, fractured bolts, fractured rollers, fractured return spring arms (rimfire semi-autos), fractured pins, burred out trunnions, etc, as well as all the other problems you mentioned. A good number of H&K rifles were used by the venison recovery industry and were found wanting compared to other rifles, but, to be fair, these rifles were all firing many thousands of rounds. By comparison the FN FAL would go through several re-barrels without breakage over several hundred thousand rounds. With our Special Forces the H&K MP5's usually crapped out within a year. H&K offered NZ free military rifles some years ago provided we signed a long-term service contract. The offer was refused.