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yeah I saw old mate's video. https://youtu.be/BM3SHvYosSs?si=ROOCkTO1iHyPTVNt
It aligns with the vague points I've tried to make for about a decade or more regarding accuracy and precision e.g https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....cision-103608/
My result is meaningless, I just felt obliged to do it after I mentioned in the comments of his video that I'm confident I can produce that result with one rifle, but I'm not confident as many other people/rifles can as make the claim.
Extremely good shooting, to get these sorts of results you need a very consistent position and hold, not to mention all the other fundamentals of good shooting. And a rifle/load combination in good tune. Well done.
We are running this challenge "Backfire TV Jim Harmer" style (zero and group) on our range in June. A $200 voucher up for grabs for the first to achieve it. I doubt we'll lose the voucher but the excuses/moaning will be interesting.
This was shot with an arbitrarily selected load with no development... more to come on that in future....
A bit of trigger finger perhaps in the horizontal.
Invercargill is a bit far to come for me to take that one on...
When you said the group was "20 mils" I thought "that's a massive group"! Then the penny dropped.
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Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.
I like that rifle.
A lot.
It is very goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
Are you happy with the March 3-24?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
You seem to have gone through a few different FFP scopes and still haven't found the perfect one?
I bought it 2nd hand and I can't reset the windage turret to zero unless I send it back to Japan for repair. Which is hard. NZ agent service isn't awesome. It should be a 3-18. Otherwise, it is very good.
I see you posting on Snipershide every now and then, sounds like you are still waiting for the perfect FFP hunting scope (like myself).Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
How do you rate the short DPT suppressor on 223?
Great shooting @gimp. These 1 MOA challenge types things the youtubers are running are a real eye opener. Good to see it's actually possible!
I realise I've been wasting ammo and components for years chasing three shot "groups" around the paper.
It has been a phenomenally long waitQuote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
The DPT mini is good on the .223. Maybe not as quiet but quiet enough, and it is light and makes a very compact package. @DPT make em standard!
After listening to the hornady podcast awhile ago I came to the same conclusion recently and now just load a ladder around the powder bullet combo I want looking for pressure/the velocity i want before going to large sample sizes stopping if it looks terrible from the get go (over 2 MOA). Anything sub 2MOA for 30 is acceptable less is better but being realistic about my own shooting ability and shooting ultralight rifles thats a realistic even if its a slightly less exciting outcome. (still shoot plenty of sub moa actually mostly sub moa 3 shot groups but the 6.5creed ended up around 1.3MOA after 30 rounds and the 280AI needs another 10 before I confirm anything. I am however glad I'm no longer "chasing zero" with my "sub MOA" rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Same question about the mini DPT and also wondered why you went with the mullerworks vs some commonly available options?
It was what was available, I actually thought I had a Bartlein. Either one is the same thing, it's a cut rifled match barrel. Clearly it is adequate.
@Beetroot and @gimp I’ve been looking for the right FFP scope too, and I think I’ve found it. Just ordered one, should be here next month. 2.5-18x 44 with a reticle that works from 2.5x. Not the lightest, but very reliable and well priced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/...d-eval.338756/
It unfortunately falls outside my preference for weight range - above 700gm there are many good options, below 650 there are not! Keen to see results thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick
Yea it’s hard to find the perfect scope, there’s always a compromise to be had somewhere. Ticks the reliability, magnification, focal plane and reticle boxes for me so I just have to live with the weight. Just a bit more gym work I guess…..
The 2.5-10 NXS I have would be perfect if it was in FFP
I'm not fussed on that Maven scope, a bit heavy, slightly narrow FOV, not loving the reticle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick
It feels like it's close but I've got enough scopes at them moment I'm not rushing to buy one.
Are you importing one from the USA?
The Leupold Mark 4hd 2.5-10x42 looks pretty nice, might pick one up some day.
Anyone else going to shoot this challenge?
10rnds to in a thin barrel is asking a lot. Could timelapse 3 x groups I’ll just have to break position in between.
Thats the thing isn't it...past two shots and you risk limiting the guns accuracy potential (and barrel life). And the irony is that you only need fine accuracy with more than one shot in a small percentage of hunting situations. When I'm shooting for accuracy its two shots and walk to the target...600 yards away mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEARONZ
Yeah cool your barrel if you believe in it. I don't, and it doesn't seem to matter with this 223 which is only a "sporter" contour.
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....cision-103608/Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
There will be a lot of excuses, this is a "3 Shot Wallet Group" forum in the main. It is a tough challenge.
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Here is my go from after work tonight, not there yet but encouraging enough to keep refining things (my shooting, reloading consistency etc) . . . . The Fiocchi factory ammo is very interesting! Sako not so much despite the fantasies of the 3 shot boys.
It’s more about not smashing my suppressor with the magnum
I totally agree...I do some walking which is good for me, the barrel and the suppressor.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Good on you for doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
There's nothing wrong with a rifle not shooting "1moa" with the right definition of "shooting 1moa"
It's clearly demonstrable that 3-shot sub-moa groups without considering relative posiiton may actually mean your rifle is only consistently capable of hitting a 2-3moa target.
Most hunting rifles that shoot sub moa 3-5 shot groups are probably more likely 1.5-2 moa rifles. It's just easy to lie to yourself with 3 shot groups, and the zeitgeist has set unrealistic expectations - everyone is embarrassed to have a rifle that "won't shoot 1moa". Funnily enough it takes a bit of courage to go test what it will actually do - what is a more realistic picture of the overall dispersion.
Breaking and resetting position between groups to aggregate shouldn't be considered a problem; it's directly relevant to the real world use of a rifle. You break and reset position between zeroing and trying to shoot an animal.
Going to give try it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
If I ever get time to go do some shooting....
You'd be surprised at what a well made thin barrel would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
I shot my few few competitions and a few F Class rounds with a factory Tikka 260, 10+ round strings didn't effect accuracy much, or at all.
That being said the difference between a 223, 260, 308 and 7rem mag is vastly different.
I'll try find time to give it a crack over the weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
DittoQuote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
Sore Gimp hiding out at the supermarket in the big H once, balbob left a note on the windscreen saying "super gimp powers" not sure if he got our humor, haven't seen him since strange for a small town, I obviously don't get out enough
I shot this 10 shot group back in April 22, once I sorted a load for my Sako 233. 52gr Targex @ 100m at Handloaders range Chch. Off the bipod & rear stock bag, similar shooting speed to you. The red dot is moa size & the group is a little smaller. Must try it again but prone.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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Mystery solvedQuote:
Originally Posted by Smiddy
Next time you can just say g'day, I don't bite
Gave it a nudge this morning
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Maybe just snuck in? Caliper batteries are flat so hard to be certain. Pretty happy for a bog standard Howa 1500 in a much maligned Houge stock...
If it's @ 100m then MOA is 29mm, so you came in under. I might give this a go with a rifle or two next time I'm at a 100m range. Pistol club only goes to 40m.Quote:
Originally Posted by LMcNab
I think I have a couple of rifles that might do it, whether I can or not is the biggest question.
I will try give it a crack next month.
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Here’s my effort with the 6.5 prc
Na, was at 100 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makros
