Thread: Hi tec stock failure

Originally Posted by caberslash

Not all are made equal, some 'carbon' stocks have a carbon frame underneath and have an outer of hard resin/epoxy. I have had three stocks like this made by PSE composites of Ireland and they were great in terms of both product and aftercare (all of mine were bought used, and the one which I sold on after a full repair had been seriously mucked up by the previous owner).

Technically, wood is 50% carbon so you can heat up your wood stock a bit to make it 100% carbon.

Kimber's ones seem like you could use them as a club if needed
Iv got some damage to the forend on one of mine and it just seems to have chipped on a rock or similar when the previous owner had it
Just took a chunk out.
It must help having an outside coating and fill inside to prevent the carbon weave taking damage
Both make the stock heavier tho and clearcoat when you can see the carbon underneath looks fantastic
Everything is a compromise

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CCGOESNyvIY&feature=share

Hope the link works


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Originally Posted by Tahr

One carbon stock breaks and people swear off them. Ive known plenty of wooden stocks to break through the pistol grip. Im very happy with my carbon stocks. They are stable and light.

And carbon allows you to make a repair as functional as new...about $5 in materials and an hour of time.

I bought one of Ken’s stocks last month for a new build 06. Mostly due to forum feedback.

Been impressed with it so far. Well made and finished, great comb dimensions, and seems to handle the recoil of full power 180 gn loads well. I’m sure carbon has its limitations as found in the OP regardless of the exact cause and discussed above. Good to be aware of these as a buyer, I could quote Clint E here....

Other option was a McM edge which would have been good as well.

I’m sure there has been a few mcm’s damaged in the field also, but no threads on the forum full of whinging, moaning and crying on this.

Sometimes you luck out in what happens, no fault or your gear, something happens, it breaks, you wear it and move on. Plenty of options out there to restock a rifle and to do business with. Life’s too short.

Originally Posted by 257weatherby

2 years warrantee for a rifle stock? don't think so - Try getting that from Beretta NZ for Sako carbon stocks, good luck with that. No different.

Have never seen in the sales blurb for any stock, let alone lightweight carbon ones:
"Rugged dependable lightweight carbon stock designed to handle being knocked about and tolerate adverse conditions and abuse by Kiwi hunters"

Just because it's the norm to get crap service in NZ doesn't mean it has to be that way.
I actually had a warranty claim done by Beretta outside of the 2 year warranty period as the failure was not something anyone would reasonable expect from a 26 month old rifle.

It seems a shame this situation has come to this, without knowing all the details I can't help but feel this issue could've been handled better by all parties.

If you want @DaveE I'll buy it off you for $100. Fixed a kayak with a CF patch once, rifle stock can't be too tricky

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Just buy Bell and Carlson stocks and forget Carbon, all things to all people, dont break, dont scratch, quiet, filled with a foam that deadens recoil

I have seen two B&C stocks broken or cracked. One was the result of a fall, well more of a stumble off a log. The other one has a crack around the front underside starting where the mag box inlet, this was on 300WSM. Personally I’m a big fan of CF stocks for hunting purposes & just like the old school “carbon fibre” ie wooden stocks they are not indestructible

Originally Posted by Bill999

Kimber's ones seem like you could use them as a club if needed
Iv got some damage to the forend on one of mine and it just seems to have chipped on a rock or similar when the previous owner had it
Just took a chunk out.
It must help having an outside coating and fill inside to prevent the carbon weave taking damage
Both make the stock heavier tho and clearcoat when you can see the carbon underneath looks fantastic
Everything is a compromise

They are also quite heavy. You will find even a tiny kimber stock weighs 100 grams or more more than alot of ultralight carbon stocks.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

Just because it's the norm to get crap service in NZ doesn't mean it has to be that way.
I actually had a warranty claim done by Beretta outside of the 2 year warranty period as the failure was not something anyone would reasonable expect from a 26 month old rifle.

It seems a shame this situation has come to this, without knowing all the details I can't help but feel this issue could've been handled better by all parties.

Yes but to play devil's I don't expect any party to be polite or gracious to anyone that's rude etc. Yes maybe offering a repair would have been good but as a good friend always says the only response when you start a conversation with fuck you is fuck you meaning if you start a discussion with blame etc then it's never going to go down well especially when you can't prove it.

Also a rifle stock is a high wear item that could literally be broken day one without any manufacturing fault in a accident. Mine get a hiding if I broke one it'd suck for sure but would a post a hit peice on a online forum (potentially after threatening to do so) no bloody way.

Hell I broke my very spendy brand new carbon walking pole day one slipping with it in a gap between two boulders. That's not a warranty claim that's an accident.

It's a small kiwi business not some massive corporate like Vortex that just over prices the shit out of everything to cover the 5% or whatever return rate.

If a rifle stock of any material has been used for two years without a problem and then breaks at the pistol grip then it's obviously been damaged. If it was a manufacturing fault it would've happened pretty much straight away. It's unreasonable to expect a manufacturer to cover that.

Originally Posted by Stocky

I thought the same when i saw this. All the forces lever around the weakest part of a stock. I have seen factory plastic tikka stocks break here when carrying like this. Also that would put at least 27inchs of leverage above the top tie point. Not only would it be bloody high but that some serious leverage were you to catch in on something then pull sideways to the rifle (weakest direction).

Above, leverage the real reason.
How I attach my rifle on my pack, 3 side straps and a stock holder at the bottom.

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Yeah I wouldn’t own one. One because I know how fragile carbon is
2 because a heavy rifle suits me better
3 they are outrageously expensive

Ultra thin high modulus graphite fishing rods are certainly fragile. But many other carbon fibre structures are remarkably robust. Aerospace components, race car parts, bicycle frames, and a swag of other sporting goods make heavy use of carbon fibre because of its outstanding strength to weight ratio. So it was only natural that it would find its way into rifle stock applications. It’s a material that has a lot of strength along the length of the fibre, which is why designers align the fibre in the direction of greatest stress. However it doesn’t have as much strength across the fibre, so a point load at a 90 degree angle to the direction of strength can make for a bad day...

I personally think it’s the best material for a lightweight stock, provided you don’t go arse over tit in a stream and land on your rifle. And to be fair, that sort of incident can snap most stocks made from other materials