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Sorry, i got it wrong. Different company, small start-up that is also based in Tauranga area. But apparently they are also going to do a titanium version of their suppressor for AR rifles and smaller magnums like WSM soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Digit
Ahh well... I'll reinstate my original wish...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaimai Views
...Imagine if ODL made a budget alloy suppressor based on the suppression development he's done with titanium...
Silenz is dean maiseys suppressors I'm pretty sure
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Originally Posted by Kaimai Views
Shame they don't make a lighter version
That's the price of having some stainless internals. DPTs earlier AR15 suppressor had this so it could withstand some rapid fire. Apparently they are no longer made? You will note from DPTs current adverts that "Baffles are 100% Duralium aluminium and not designed for rapid fire as the heat and sand blasting effect will wear them out at a faster rate"Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
I am not sure what constitutes rapid fire.. but I guess the story is alloy is OK for your .22 or big game rifle but If you have a semi or shoot a lot of animals (gOATS for example?!) you probably need steel parts. OR Titanium maybe if you can afford it.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by stub
Found that with google:
http://www.iponz.govt.nz/app/Extra/I...61230677425789
Nothing wrong with my Gunworks Maximus, cant rate it highly enough. Like all things though different opinions will vary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proudkiwi
Sorry try that:
http://www.iponz.govt.nz/app/Extra/I...61663500028426
Design 419024 if that link does not work
It just shows the registered design on the patent office and who owns it.
The links don't seem to work sorry.
I have two Gunworks and an old MAE. I had one Gunworks spartan on my 30/06 and was so happy with it that I had no hesitation in getting another one for my 7mmRemMag. The rifles both had different threads so I was always getting another suppressor. I am looking at replacing the MAE on my 223 as it is nearly 3x as heavier than the Gunworks one. (Age and design and I do not blame MAE). I have not used D Maiseys or DPT or Hardy but all have their following and I am certain they are well suitable for purpose so am disappointed in the nay sayers that allude to safety issues with any of these brands including gun works. In all the brands of suppressors we have come into contact with, only one brand has ever managed to scare us with it design and flaws. (SSS AKA Rev Rog)
I am sure there are others out there worth mentioning. But personally I will stick to Gunworks as I have used them, I like them, I feel they are value for money and they have never let me down. And their service is great.
If you get a DPT think about an extra baffle.Whilst no audiologist it seems quieter than standard. We have 3 of them on our 223's.
Suppressors are cheap wear parts, I'd rather have a lighter one and wear it out faster. Baffles are replaceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Cheers for the confidence, Digit! I have costing underway and a design half finished. The design goal will be a reasonable priced can that sounds good and is light for bolt action rifle rate of fire. I will be using a number of methods to keep costs down while producing a quality product rated for this rate of fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Digit
Talking durability, what is a better option, DPT or Gunworks, Im not really worried about weight, more concerned about durability and performance. I think the magnum DPT comes in at 300gms and the Gunworks maximus mega weighs in at 700gms.
Whilst not the quietest out there - Gunworks cans are a incredibly simple design, it would take an insane amount of shooting to wear the baffles out, and if you did you could replace them in about two minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRW87
If you are not worried about weight and want solid quality build with top sound suppression I would recommend MAE stainless, they are very good.
When putting suppressors on rifles if you are going to be doing a lot of shooting from standing or other unsupported positions the balance of your rifle needs to be taken into consideration as well. I changed from my MAE to a DPT for this very reason as it brought the balance of my rifle(.308) back for quick standing or sitting shots. If I was shooting off a bipod or pack longer range all the time would have kept the MAE on.
Darren DPT readily told me to suppress the DPT(standard) up to the MAE I would need to add probably 2 more baffles to standard. Maybe try at some stage but quite happy at the moment as rifle shoulders perfectly.
Think this speaks highly of Darren(DPT), as I think all these different suppressor manufacturers offer different things it depends what you are after, its a bit apple and oranges sometimes rather than making direct comparisons. These small kiwi companies making them all seem keen to improve all the time and they appear to be doing so.
I would love to try an Oceania on my AR as they do look like the Porsche of suppressors, but my $199 DPT forward mini works fine.
My 30 cal MAE is parked and will eventually find a home on a shortest possible barrel 300AAC either AR or bolt gun where it will be superb.
Seen quite a few gunworks and they seem to go well but my personal preference is for the DPT design rather than run right back and option to add more baffles or reduce as you wish to suit.
Would be keen to hear how these Silenz ones go as like the idea of the brake/suppressor. Could it possibly also further utilize back part of can, as my understanding most of the work is done in the front, past muzzle bit? Weight does look like getting back up there again though, (cake and eat it scenario again....)
I am also interested in when people are swapping suppressors between calibres are they just doing the obvious and have same thread types? Or are they using some sort of thread adapters as going from small calibres to larger a gunsmith would normally use a different thread? Or would it not be in suppressor manufactures interests to encourage this as would reduce sales?
I'm getting a Dpt magnum can fitted atm by truflite while he does some other stuff for me. I'll be interested in how it holds up to the 300 win mag , and the difference between the Hardy mag can i use currently.
I have a DPT overbarrel on my AR and really rate it, but recently a mate bought a Howa 308 and I pushed him to get a Sonic suppressor for it, trying it on my AR it's noticeably quieter than the DPT, and the same price and weight. The only difference is that the Sonic baffle holes are sleeved with stainless inserts that are meant to reduce wear from use, I wonder if my DPT is getting less effective as it's showing some wear on the baffles, the Sonic also has some sort of spiral device at the barrel that's meant to spin the air???
SONIC SILENCERS :: technical
Weight wise they are 16.8 oz= 476 grams. A DPT weight weight 260gr in its basic configuration.
And the steel inserts tend to rust if not well maintained as I have discovered recently :-(
For the spiral brake inside, it is meant to help the suppressor self tightening on the barrel.
You can try the following experiment with your mate suppressor: unscrew the suppressor by 1/2 a turn. And shoot through it to see if it tightens against the shoulder of the thread...It would be interested to see if it works
The sonics are twice the weight of mine, mine are 260grams for the over barrel and 192grams for the muzzle forward. where the sonic is about 450grams, I have never done any sound tests against the sonic but if it is quieter all you need to do is add more baffles to bring the sound down, and it will still be lighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by specweapon
Unless your baffles are completely warn out then it wont be effecting the sound reduction, you are looking at around 2000 rounds on the first baffle to get to that stage.
As long as a suppressor meets the basic requirements of reasonably close to hearing safe and is robust enough for the calibre chosen, then the most critical specification I look at is weight. That is why we recommend ODL and DPT to all our customers. Nothing worse than a heavy chunk of metal hanging off the end of your barrel when something half the weight does the same job.
@DPT what are you using on the threads of your modular suppressors to ensure that they don't seize up?
This thread is very useful to me as I am about to put a suppressor on my new AR.
Is there a AR model DPT suppressor that has steel baffles? I have seen it mentioned on the forum but can't find it on the web site. Also how many rounds\years is it warrentied for.
Silenz looks like a good design but it's not warrantied for semi autos and even for bolts it's only a two year warrenty.
Gunworks isn't a bad option. Steel baffles and the smallest AR overbarrel suppressor is only 300g which is close to the DPT alloy baffle overbarrel weight. Gunworks also has a lifetime warranty.
Waitaki engineering is a good option but I want a overbarrel model and their overbarrels are heavy.
lithium grease iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney
Any thin grease would be fine, the anodized thread of the suppressor is a different material than the barrel thread so its not likely to seize up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney
We don't do a specific ar model anymore but have fitted plenty of my lightweight modular suppressors to ar's, as-long as you keep it under 60rounds an hour it will handle it fine. If you are planing on going hard out with the rifle id suggest something like MAE.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassiveAttack
The suppressor has a limited lifetime warranty, that covers the suppressor for premature failure, but the baffles do wear and are not covered under the lifetime warranty, as they are really a consumable item. Ofcourse if they are to wear out in only a few hundred rounds then you should bring it back to us, the first baffle that takes most of the blast should last around 2000rounds, they are only $45 to replace.
The thing is every other full aluminum suppressor will wear out on the inside just you cant pull most of them apart to see whats going on, and there are very few NZ manufactures that give a lifetime warranty like DPT and Gunworks do.
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Originally Posted by DPT
Correction, you mean 'limited lifetime warranty', right? Any suppressor that fails prematurely would be covered by consumer guarntees act, regardless of warranty term. But no guarantee of durability or supression performance?? So what does limited lifetime warranty mean? 200 shots in 10 years, or 1 year, or whatever comes first? Or once you wear out a baffle its dead??
60 shots per hour? If you want one that can handle Auto PM me I'll give you the contact, you need deepest pockets!
If it is ODL, there is not much of a secret here Maca :-)
Well yes any suppressor is covered by the CGA, but that only covers the suppressor for a "reasonable" life length, what is a reasonable life length for a lightweight suppressor? it comes down to many things if argued in court. If you buy one of our suppressors from us or one of our retailers and it fails (aslong as you don't cause the fail) then we will replace it. Im not sure how we can guarantee suppression performance? ours are not the quietest in NZ and we never make them out to be, they are a light weight hunting suppressor, but we do have the option of adding more baffles to make them quieter if needed, A 800 gram suppressor from MAE is going to be quieter than our 260gram suppressor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaimai Views
And yes sorry I should have said limited lifetime warranty on the bottom line of my last post.