I don't think the 270 is to bad in all those departments but after you shoot an un braked 300 RUM a bit I suppose it is rather mild mannered.Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
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I don't think the 270 is to bad in all those departments but after you shoot an un braked 300 RUM a bit I suppose it is rather mild mannered.Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
I was using my mates 270 while I was waiting for my scope. The chamois and reds I took at 260 and 300mtrs never took another step. 1 shot and over they went. I couldn't tell the difference between the recoil and noise on that, my 308 or the 300wsm.
Really? I found the noise+recoil difference pretty bloody obvious between 270 and 308/7mm08. Which is what you would expect when you look at the numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300wsm for life
The word Rainbow is already taken to describe 308 ballisticsQuote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
I had a nice Sako finnlite 270win for 9 years and it killed a lot of animals near and far. I pushed that rifle to its limits, deer 818m, tahr 525m, goats past a 1000m.
After getting the dog I got a subsonic rifle and just used the 270 for long range steel targets, hunting National Park’s and long range culling on a mates farm.
@GravelBen I'm a fairly solid guy so I don't notice recoil much. Really couldn't tell the difference.
if a 130-150 grain projectile nudging either side of 3000fps kicks in a standard weight rifle than the stock is less than optimal or the recoil pad is junk.
I know the 3006 can handle heavier projectiles but I bet if the numbers match it would kick just like a 270. Plus Id rather shoot a 130gr 270 than a 130gr 3006 projectile.
even more so if you went lighter.
NZ got hit with those junk NZFS rounds and it spoiled the 270 for a lot here I reckon. You don't seem to hear the same criticisms in The good ol' US of A and you know how much they like the big calibres over there.
I like the 30-06, 25-06 and love the 6.5-06
Not liking the one in the middle is from witnessing years ago a lot of deer getting away with a projectile in them.
Always looking around for bugger all blood etc.
Always dead when ya find them as well.
I think with modern projectiles they would perform just as good if not better than the rest of th 06 family.
Doesn't mean I would ever own one tho. [emoji16]
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I suspect that's what happened to a friend of mine. He tried a 270, was very disappointed with the end result, was loaned a 30/06, loved the way it malleted deer , and bought his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
What kind of pill was in the NZFS .270?
I'm still a fan of the old 270. Does what I ask without any fuss or thought to range est with a standard 3-9 scope out to 400m. Drops them on the spot if I do my part.
My old 7mm08 Tikka T3 jumped around more than my heavier Tikka 695 in 270, 22# barrel whihc I enjoy shooting. Yes, blast is sharp and up there. Personally, I don't notice it when I'm shooting game.
If you need more stopping power, the likes of the 150 grain partition and TTSX projectiles are hard hitter. I've never used them but here good things from those that do.
Had some 110 TTSX loaded for me and recoil dropped and so did the deer like stones out to 350m, shot flat and true.
I still think the 270 has legs mate. Good luck with your decision.
I think the main disadvantages with the 270 vs modern cartridges is the rifle manufacturers refusal to produce them with a decent bloody twist rate.
For a 0-400m gun I would be going with the swede and 140's or 130's but the 270 will do it for sure. Do blasers come with a twist rate faster than the usual 1:100,000?
I have 2x .270's - a Rem 700LH and a BAR LH. Suppressed, it's a great cal. I've shot Reds, fallow, wild cattle, wild sheep and wallabies. I only remember 1 taking more than a couple of steps (a fallow doe that I hit low in the chest).
It's worth a crack, if you don't like it you can always sell it
HaHa you ll re sell it before its had 50 rounds down the tube ,,,, :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Double Shot
Three for three with the 270wsm last night @ 250yds. One lung shot ran 80 yards - very good blood trail. The other 2 dead on the spot. LRX= big holes. The old .270 would have done exactly the same.
they still kill stuff dead - just like they did when they first came on the seen. Bullet choice these days has improved. Like all '06 derivatives they really need a 24 in barrel to get best from them. The blast/noise can easily be managed with suppressor.
If you want a short barrel then choose a different calibre.
I walk a Ruger Ultralight in 270 for my long range shooting option I'm a happy hunter using that combined with Coreloks.
Same ingredient but Browning 308 for the bush hunting short range stuff that you encounter in the Kaimai jungle.
Not the place for your $2K type of rifle they will get to look 2nd hand very quickly mode of operation is synthetic stocks and adequate dollar value scopes that you can replace without breaking the bank or shedding tears.
They will get broken and tarnished so will the individual if he isn't fit or tough in the top two inches
KJ, I use a 270 barrel on my R93, ive been using 270’s off and on for 30yrs, the only time I’ve ever had problems was when I tried the federal 140gn accubonds in my old model 70, very hard bullet not going fast enough, meant I had a few follow up shots. For long range you have a few good choices these days, 135gn SMK, 150gn LRAB or 150gn Berger’s.
I’ve got a 135gn smk load doing 2950fps, haven’t shot any animals with them yet as most of my shots are under 250m and I use a basic SP for that.
You really just can't beat a .270 for a hunting rifle. If they invented it today it would be a top big game cartridge all over again. New powders have made it even better. It will kill anything a .30/06 or a .280 will do with less recoil and take care of most of the 7mm Rem Mag business as well. A 7mm bullet of 130 grains at 3100 - 3200 fps is not something to look sideways at.
You have to load it properly though. The downside to the .270 - which is not the cartridges fault - is that the factory ammo is slow. I tested three different brands and they were all going 2600fps -2800 something with a 130 grain bullet.
I like that is was purely a hunting cartridge as well, not used by the military.
Not sure why anyone would bag the only true 7mm in the first place!, for nearly 100 years it has been killing game all over the planet, and has always been in the top five selling cartridges and die sales, so something must be alright with it. Some people just have to keep buying the new wheels they invent......... Like the new fangled 6.5 Creampuff, I mean, why would you?
I shoot a .270 for my hunting rifle and although it may be outclassed by some WSMs or magnums, maybe even the infamous creed... The recent pickings of high BC quality hunting bullets (ELDX & Gamechanger) brings it back in as a reasonable contender for a great do-it-all NZ hunting cartridge. Factory ammo however, is a limitation!
You miss place more shots due to wind than elevation. Elevation is vastly more predictable. Elevation does not vary with conditions. If you care at all about a rifles performance then you would worry about a desirable shot on a windy day, as this is highly likely. You would then care more about how slippery a projectile was, than how fast it was traveling. 6.3mm to 6.5mm to 6.8mm is not going to make any great difference to a wound with the same bullet, but only 6.5 has a good selection of slippery game bullets.
Why is that? 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm all have a good range of slippery bullets that kill well. In between, 6.3 and 6.8 have bullets that kill well that are shaped like bricks.
In other words, most of its reputation is complete bullshit, but it goes bang and things fall over, just like everything else. I feel for the amount of bang and kick, the pill that arrives at the 400m mark is nothing to write home about.
You read too much on the internet.......... get some real world experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollo
Elevation is certainly affected by atmospherics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollo
Even if you have them perfect, shooting over broken ground can cause all sorts of issues with wind regarding elevation.
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A lot of people see to forget wind is 3 dimensional. It not only blows left to right but up and down and towards and away from you. All have an effect.
Remove the tinfoil hat, get off the internet. I dont understand how you think projectiles that are in the .4 and .5 bc range are considered as bricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apollo
You realize all things being equal, there is little or no practical difference between any of the rounds discussed here under 400m? I was joining in the discussion for amusement. If you want to make yourself look cool by being a pragmatist just point out the whole discussion is nonsense to everyone. Why single me out?Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
Lol. Why do you guys discuss ballistics at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by mawzer308
Fuck, I'm glad that it's ok to go hunting most days, can load some ammo, shoot and no worry as long as I do my part and the animal falls over. Plus it could be with one of my 270's with Barnes 110 or129gr
The 270Win is better now than it ever was due to improved bullet technology. The off the shelf ammo selection is excellent ( same for 308 Win, 7mm08, 30-06, and others). Due to ballistic realities and barrel twist projectile weights will top out at 150 grains.......but is that so bad. i know a gentlemen in his eighties that killed a grizzly bear in Alaska with his 270 Win with a 150 gr. Nosler partition bullet while on a sheep hunt. He hunted the World with his 270 Win.....go tell him that it is S@#$. Recoil???? about like a 308 Win........i would say quite mild......absolutely no problem.
post script: My friend in his late 80's recounted the story of the grizzly bear as follows: The bear was facing him .....he shot it in the throat area.....the 150 grain Nosler Partition bullet went deep into the bear's body and exited out his back having severed the bear's spine. His comment was, that it is not a shot that would be duplicated regularly. His closing comment is that he never felt undergunned with the 270WIN
Just bought a box of 145g Hornday ELD-X changing from 140g Noslers ABs price was the main reason to change, but a few comments about the ABs recently about them got me thinking.. Plenty of options in the legendary calibre.
I just hope the 10.5 twist stabilizes the new pill and can still mag load out touching the lands.
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don't do it man, if you do put a can on it
He could have had the same effect with a .38 Special too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill f
He was walking a fine line shooting at the neck of a Bear....
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Originally Posted by muka88
Hell no, waste of a good .270 when people shorten the barrel and put 'suppressors' on them. A .270 deserves a proper 24 inch barrel. 22 inches will do but not less that's for sure.
This fad for unnecessary gadgets like suppressors is ruining a lot of good rifles.
Have one at 18" and another at 20", suppressed, both accurate and kill well if I do my bit. Max shots I get are 350metres. A suppressor isn't necessary but makes life more pleasant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
Norsk.....my elderly friend builds beautiful custom rifles and is a gunsmith and hunter on a World Class level. I wasn't there to observe.
He recounted the story to me over drinks at a gun club dinner. From memory I believe the gist of the event was the bullet entered the throat chest area and went deep into the bears upper chest and came out his back thus damaging the spine. Don't see a .38 revolver doing that. I said " I doubt if you could do that 10 times in a row and he agreed."
I think both you and I know that there is absolutely no comparison of a .38 revolver cartridge vs any of the popular center fire rifles.
My friend stated that it was not a high percentage shot. I can tell you, that we he was young, he was not your average Joe.
All very good stuff Bill.
Agree with this. I love suppressors, but you need to cut the barrel down to have a practical rifle and 24" is probably still 2" short for .270. Other calibers you can cut down without losing anything. Someone mentioned lots of flame out the barrel. Powder is not so cheap I want to see it launched out the end of the barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
As mentioned elsewhere I think a lot of the 270's reputation for "kick" probably arose through muzzle blast and poor or non-existent earmuffs.
I wonder if the old loads for 270 (e.g. H4831 was the go to) had a lot of unburnt powder AND the consequent high muzzle pressure. Back in the mid 1990's chronographs were rare, and the internal ballistic data we have via programs like Quickload didn't exist.
My Quickload is down just now (must revive it) but there's no need to blow unburnt powder out the end of the barrel these days. I used it to produce a very mild report load (unsuppressed) for my 22K Hornet, by selecting the right powder I was able to drop the pressure at the muzzle from 7000 psi (many powerful calibres chasing velocity run at 11,000-12,000 psi) to a bit over 4000 (this was in a single shot rifle with a 26" barrel which does give more options to play with loads).
To answer the OP, it sucks just as much as it did in 2018, which isn't very much.