Thread: How You Can Help Stop Anti-Gun Legislation

As I'm sure you are aware, we are currently facing some of the worst anti-gun legislation in our history.
The proposals include registration of all firearms, which will put us all in the same position as the E Cat shooters who got completely screwed over.
Seeking help for depression or other mental health issues would likely result in the police raiding your home to confiscate your firearms.
Our once "lifetime" licences would be cut to five years, doubling their cost even without the fee increases(see below).
Fees for licences and permits would be increased substantially in an attempt to put gun ownership out of reach of all but the most wealthy.
An Arms Act Advisory Group would be established, and would be stacked with anti-gun activists appointed by police.
That same committee would be involved in even more substantial changes to the Arms Act in the near future.
Shooting ranges would be burdened with onerous regulations intended to make their operation unfeasible.
That's just a few of many examples, but the rest is just as bad if not worse.

There is something we can do to stop the bill, though.
Labour and the Greens are not surprisingly committed to pushing this legislation through, and they only take firearms advise from Nash and Cahill.
However, National has stated they will oppose the bill, and ACT likely will as well.
That just leaves NZ First and Jami-Lee Ross, who is currently independent.
We need to focus all of our efforts on getting them to oppose this legislation.
If we can do that, we can stop this bill. If passed, this bill will represent an existential threat to gun ownership and shooting sports in this country.
It is always far more difficult to undo bad laws than it is to stop them from being passed in the first place.

If you ever write an email to anyone, write one to the all the NZ First MPs and Jami-Lee Ross.
If you plan to continue owning firearms, I expect you to at least spend five minutes doing that, if nothing else.

Here are the NZ First email addresses:
Darroch.Ball@parliament.govt.nz.; shane.jones@parliament.govt.nz.; jenny.marcroft@parliament.govt.nz.; ron.mark@parliament.govt.nz.; tracey.martin@parliament.govt.nz.; clayton.mitchell@parliament.govt.nz.; mark.patterson@parliament.govt.nz.; winston.peters@parliament.govt.nz.; Fletcher.Tabuteau@parliament.govt.nz.;

And here is Jami-Lee Ross' email: jami-lee.ross@parliament.govt.nz.

NZ First have made big promises to support lawful gun owners in the past.
Now it's time to hold them to those promises. The ball's in your court.

The emails got stuffed up during the copy and paste. Sorry. Here are the correct emails for NZ First:
Darroch.Ball@parliament.govt.nz; shane.jones@parliament.govt.nz; jenny.marcroft@parliament.govt.nz; ron.mark@parliament.govt.nz; tracey.martin@parliament.govt.nz; clayton.mitchell@parliament.govt.nz; mark.patterson@parliament.govt.nz; winston.peters@parliament.govt.nz; Fletcher.Tabuteau@parliament.govt.nz;

And Jami-Lee Ross:
jami-lee.ross@parliament.govt.nz

Voted NZ First last time. Single issue vote. Why would I do that again..?


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Originally Posted by tiroahunta

Voted NZ First last time. Single issue vote. Why would I do that again..?


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He is not asking you to vote for them. Labour and the greens NEED NZfirst to support them to pass the bill. If NZ First can be convinced to vote against this legislation then it wont pass. If it does pass then you might as well surrender all you firearms know and find something else to do......It it gets through this may have to become the New Zealand Knitting and Cooking forum......

Originally Posted by tiroahunta

Voted NZ First last time. Single issue vote. Why would I do that again..?


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He's not saying vote for them, just try get them to see our side and oppose the new legislation.
Then election 2020 vote for someone else.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

He's not saying vote for them, just try get them to see our side and oppose the new legislation.
Then election 2020 vote for someone else.

Exactly. I'm no fan of NZ First after they sold us out in April, but we need them to stop this legislation.
I'd work with Satan himself if it got this legislation stopped. Whatever it takes.

Sorry, like Tiroahunta I won't vote for those turncoats again

I'm voting ACT this time as they were the only ones who even looked like showing a spine

Winnie the Pooh has had his chance with me and if I make the same mistake twice then I'm the fool here

Originally Posted by 308

Sorry, like Tiroahunta I won't vote for those turncoats again

I'm voting ACT this time as they were the only ones who even looked like showing a spine

Winnie the Pooh has had his chance with me and if I make the same mistake twice then I'm the fool here

@308 Again this is not about voting for who is in power. I agree NZ first sold us out, and I agree I will not be voting for them, but we all need to let them know that this is not OK.

In order to pas, this legislation needs more than half of MPs to vote for it on your behalf.

There are 46 Labour seats voting to pass this,
There are 8 Green seats Voting to pass this,

There are 55 National seats voting against this bill,

And 9 NZ first seats ....

Neither party currently can get this bill passed or stopped without the support of NZ first. Hence we need NZ first to fully understand that this bill is not OK. IF NZ first is smart enough to vote with National against the bill, then it cannot pass into law. This is not about you voting for them, it is about getting them to vote for you.....

Originally Posted by timattalon

@308 Again this is not about voting for who is in power. I agree NZ first sold us out, and I agree I will not be voting for them, but we all need to let them know that this is not OK.

In order to pas, this legislation needs more than half of MPs to vote for it on your behalf.

There are 46 Labour seats voting to pass this,
There are 8 Green seats Voting to pass this,

There are 55 National seats voting against this bill,

And 9 NZ first seats ....

Neither party currently can get this bill passed or stopped without the support of NZ first. Hence we need NZ first to fully understand that this bill is not OK. IF NZ first is smart enough to vote with National against the bill, then it cannot pass into law. This is not about you voting for them, it is about getting them to vote for you.....

Oh don't get me wrong, I will be lobbying NZ First with the promise of my future vote and telling them that I voted for them last time but really here, amongst friends, they can go fuck a sewer pipe

i flicked an email off to my local MP (national) , the national leader and deputy and also a handful of nzfirst MPs
so far 2 computer generated response from nzfirst Mps and a personal response from my local MP.
my email:
Hi,
I am deeply concerned about the proposed new gun register this current (undemocratically) elected government has put forward in parliament.
Points of concern:
1 ) the cost to the taxpayer
2) the high risk/probability of confidential data being hacked
3) the fact they are ignoring the main contributing factors behind the Christchurch shootings

A register has been tried in NZ before and failed, the police did not have the manpower or the budget to deal with it at the time . Canada has tried it and after massive budget blowouts put it in the too hard basket and dropped it like the dead weight it was.

The risk of licenced firearms owners details being accessed unlawfully (by private persons or police personnel) is my greatest concern . this is something that will plague not only this govt but any govt that follows it , we have already had a number of well publicised govt department data breaches this year and police personnel continually get hauled before the courts for accessing data for personal reasons. Essentially the govt will be supplying an online shopping list for tech savvy criminals putting all law abiding citizens at higher risk. I just about choked on my coffee last night when Ms Adern said “the police need to know when the are attending an incident if the are firearms present” (or words to that effect) , the police already know if the address they are visiting is the home of a licenced firearm owner and the still wont know if there are firearms present when the are on the doorstep of someone who doesn’t have a firearms licence.

Everything the govt has done since the Christchurch shootings has been to make NZ safer so they claim, oddly enough we seem to be reading about more gun crime (by unlicenced offenders) since then the police have been busy removing guns from law abiding firearms owners whose security on the surface seems to be a lot better than police own security given the theft and loss of police issue firearms and guns being held in evidence. We don’t seem to be hearing about the police raiding gangs who have publicly stated they wont give up their guns . the real issues that haven’t been addressed and likely never will as they will be swept under the rug by the commission of inquiry are that (a) the police failed in their duty when they vetted Tarrant , if they had done their job correctly under the current laws then he would never had managed to get a firearms licence. The fact that he was allowed to have referees who had never met him apart from online chat is disgraceful . the police have never put up their hand and said we made (another) mistake instead they sent this govt on a witch hunt punishing law abiding citizens and trotting out countless “scary black guns” for the general public to be horrified by unfortunately guns are just inanimate tools which in safe hand are safe , but any tool can be dangerous when an unsafe person has been given access to it and you cannot legislate against unsafe people. The legislators had the opportunity to restrict hi- capacity magazines years ago but didn’t do it . it was even suggested by firearms groups but police were obsessed with pistol grips on rifles ( how illogical is that ) another failing in the system Tarrant would not only never have had a firearms licence but would never have been able to get his hands on hi-cap magazines.

The National party has an opportunity here to make point of difference between the labour party and themselves . The ACT party has already done this and is picking up support and is looking good to increase its standing in parliament. National needs to hold this Govt to account for its lack of transparency its bullying and scaremongering tactics and they way it has ridden rough shod over democratic process . national needs to stand up for its support base many of whom are directly affected by these law changes . many voters last election voted strategically for NZ first thinking it would assure a national led govt only to be betrayed by Winston Peters and his party . Many will be voting for ACT as they have been the only party thus far to stand up to this govt ( which is only governing because of Winstons malice toward National party personalities, certainly not a democratically elected govt). So national will have a much more reliable and fitting coalition partner if needed and if National do the right thing and use this opportunity (along with all the other opportunities Labour has handed on a plate thru their incompetence) to defy this labour led govt National can win back some of its supporters .
Its only 12 months at most till the next election now is not the time to sit on hands. Now is a time to capture the dissatisfaction and turn it into party votes.


Hauraki Plains citizen/resident


response from local MP:
Hi and thanks for your email Scott.

Good of you to take time to send it to me. Appreciated.

I think you make very fair points about a gun register. The Labour Government seems determined to push on with their plan to set one up. National Party Leader Simon Bridges has already said he thinks it unlikely National will support this second round of gun law changes.

I’ll be back in Wellington this week and I’m sure the subject will come up at our weekly caucus meeting on Tuesday and that’s when we’ll make our decision. I’m also sure there will be plenty of media coverage of the proposals the Labour Government want to push through and our National Party response to them.

Cheers and thanks again.

and yes i sent copies of this to NZFirst MPs.....(quietly hoping for a mutiny while winnies on sick leave)

The only way to stop this legislation is to get NZ First to vote against it. ACT and National do not have the numbers to defeat it.
The only other thing to do is to try and convince National to suggest amendments such as removing the shooting club bit and only firearms needing to be registered and have serial numbers before National will support it.
Giving your votes to ACT will not defeat this legislation, David only has one vote.

Originally Posted by stug

The only way to stop this legislation is to get NZ First to vote against it. ACT and National do not have the numbers to defeat it.
The only other thing to do is to try and convince National to suggest amendments such as removing the shooting club bit and only firearms needing to be registered and have serial numbers before National will support it.
Giving your votes to ACT will not defeat this legislation, David only has one vote.

I will be writing to NZ 1st MPs - I never gave them my vote but they don't know that. Swaying NZ 1st is now the big initiative.

As for voting for ACT, I view that as the bigger picture, getting this current mob removed at the next election.

I am also not naive enough to believe a returning Nat govt will rescind any of the crap legislation introduced by Labour.

Didn't Jaime Lee Ross take time out to get his head space right ????

Originally Posted by 300winmag

Didn't Jaime Lee Ross take time out to get his head space right ????

Unfortunately got the "no-go" gauge stuck.