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Anyone used the bulk ammo pack you can get? 50 rounds for $50
Just wondering if it is even worth it, or will it be all over the show? Mostly shooting wallabies, goats and the occasional fallow. I bought a pack today as it was clearly the most cost effectiv e solution, however now rethinking the purchase.
You bought from them..................Quote:
Originally Posted by CamFlatt
I got a 250 pack off them.....before they threw us under the bus.
Go ok in my premium rifle.....Savage Axis. Inch at a hundy is good enough for me.
They go bang, Wally falls over. Bambi drops on the spot.
You'll need to compare your 223's twist rate with the weight of the projectile, and see whether they're a good match.
Ultimately the decider is how they work in you rifle.
I use to use it in my tikka, but noticed in one batch that a couple of cases had a ring around it half way down between the neck and base after firing so I gave it a bit of a bend and it snapped in half at the mark. Stopped using it after that.
Switched to hornady 50 packs which are about $58 from memory from farmlands with a shareholder discount. Good stuff for the price.
Going to switch to Belmont tho as I want to use the 62grain sp projectiles.
My 2c.
If you can be bothered doing the postal forms just Buy the belmont stuff, either the pmc they sell or their belmont black bulk. Works out at around 50 cents a round and works fine.
I think the h&f stuffs belmont anyhow.
The 62 sp seems to be the best, it is reloaded military brass and some can separate if you try and full length resize them to reload. If you want new brass and intend to reload it (although at that price why would you) use the pmc bronze
Ha yeah was given a voucher for ChristmasQuote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
Belmont is great just get your local independent shop to order it in for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
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Friends have purchased and used the H&F ammo with good success but when I looked at it, it seemed to me to be rebranded Belmont so I agree with Marty... go direct to Belmont. They make good ammo and its hard to reload for much less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
You are excused!Quote:
Originally Posted by CamFlatt
I got one of those bloody things too!Quote:
Originally Posted by CamFlatt
I got my 223 from Ammo direct. Fairly happy with how it goes in mine....
They are perfect for roos. Group bloody well from tikka 1in8. Plus many others I have seen use it. Had a couple seperated cases from an early batch. Now using GGG 69g matchking ammo from aoraki ammo here in Timaru. Works real well.not much dearer.
55s should suit any twist rate. Overstabilisation is a myth nowadays with modern bullet manafucturing. I shoot a 1 in 8 twist 308. It likes anything from 155s to 225s. Have had a 155 load shoot at. 75moa a 225 load shoot the same. And a factory 168 load shoot 1 moa. I'm sure I could get 110s to group but don't see the need. So while heaviest may not shoot in a slow twist lighter bullets may shoot in a fast twist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
More specifically the h and f rounds are Belmont produced and known for case head separation. My ar used to rip case heads of regularly even when gased right down And had two case heads removed by a ruger m77 along with quite a few cracked cases.
I gave the last 100 away.
Worth a try for cheap hunting ammo is speer gold dot. 62 or 75 grain maybe a 55 grain. In New brass cases projectile is awesome and I believe is bonded. Can reload the nickel coated cases. I did without issue. I purchased mine through custom guns in invercargill. I have taken a big red hind, a bull Tahr, and a fallow buck with this stuff to good effect. Worked out 90ish cents a pop. I have a tonne left if my old man hasn't raided it if you'd like a box to try.
I heard from reputable sources that the H&F 223 ammo is Belmont.
I brought a 50 pack of it with a voucher 2 years ago, it shot really well and worked great on the wallabies, I went in to buy more off a friends of mine who works at Hunting and Fishing, they were out of stock so he told me to buy it off Belmont Ammunition. Belmont make it for H&F and re-box it. From memory I brought the Belmont Black deal and it was $599 for 1000. Much more cost effective
@Stocky - this is a bit of a revelation to me. I've been reloading ADI cases for the last 18 months or so and now that some of them are getting into their 4th or 5th cycle I've started to get fatigue failures. I was wondering what I was doing wrong but it sounds like this is a well-known "thing". I had a couple of early case failures on my AR too... not that I blamed the AR for that... but thinking more about it I can understand how the AR was a little harsh when compared to the bolt action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocky
This photo shows the various degrees of failures, from just the faintest of line on the case to complete separation:
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As you can imagine I've become a lot more fussy with rejections and after reading your comment on this thread I think I might retire the ADI brass after 3 cycles.
Aside from that the Belmont loads shoot very well. I've been emulating the Belmont factory ammo by reloading these with the Belmont 747 Action Rifle Powder (26.6 gr) and the Hornady 55gr SP pills to a COL of 2.230" and getting excellent results in all rifles.
Oh My son, how could you? ......The Lord will forgive you but say 10 Hail Mary's and put $50 n the plate next Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
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Out of interest, when you anneal do you do full or neck case?Quote:
Originally Posted by planenutz
I’ll give these a crack then look at buying some direct if they work well :) I don’t do much roo shooting, but then I haven’t had a .223 before so may find I get out more often. My 8yr old daughter super keen to come out with me, so more likely to get away if I take one of the kids with me haha
In all fairness I gave my brass away with a warning. I blamed the AR but after a bolt action had a separation I called it. Only takes that one time it manages to close up with the front half of the last bit of brass still in the chamber and your "savings" go out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by planenutz
To be completely fair it shot well in both and although I only shot a few goats and a fallow it performed fine.
Good question @Kiwi_Sapper I have only been annealing the necks. When I first started on the .223 I wasn't annealing them at all... too many to do... didn't think there was too much of a need etc., but after researching things a bit more saw there might be some value and it might add longevity. To be fair I never had a neck split on any of the .223 brass I used - and to date (either with our without the annealing) I still haven't had a neck split. I'm not running hot loads at all, just a direct copy of the factory stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper
I still wonder why these fatigue cracks occur consistently in the same location. I have had a couple of PPU cases let go too (again after 5 or 6 cycles... they seem to last longer than the ADI brass) and like the ADI the PPU was in the same location. I put it down to this being the normal fatigue point for the .223 rounds but haven't researched it any further. I was also wondering if this was a "hot point" - the location of concentrated heat as a result of the Primer plasma hitting the wall of the case or something super-technical like that. I have no idea but I would love to hear from anybody else who can shed some light on it for me. Learning is a fun part of reloading.
Seen a few other .223 ADI cases let go the same way after minimal reloads. Not mine as haven't used any ADI brass and I haven't had any .223 case head seperations in thousands of rounds through AR's and bolt guns (but no doubt will do soon by making the previous statement).:thumbsup:
Anyone know if the Belmont/H&F ammo uses new ADI brass or once fired?
It's once fired adi typical dates are 16 and 17 at least the lots I have are dated that. You can see the remains of the primer stakes that military ammo gets.
I put over 1000 of the belmont black through my missed ar with no issues. Mind you never picked up any of the cases to look at them.
The only problem I had with it was when I decided to reload some that had been fired in my bolt action. I'd resized about 20 when the next one left the body about 10 mm up from the base in the die. PITA to remove.
About 400 have been through the bolt action so far and left the brass where it lies.
@Kiwi Sapper Moonlighting as a minister of the Church hmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper
Lightning bolt in, Three, Two, One.
Glad I wasn't standing beside you.
You smell burnt.
Yes, definitely. I don't think they make any secret about this - and its not a bad thing. It's still bloody good ammo at a great price. Best of all, its NZ made and you're supporting a local company who are keeping Kiwi workers gainfully employed. What's not to like about that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
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I’m pretty happy with that. I’m not generally the best bench shooter, so pretty stoked with that group :)
