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Tikka 7mm08, 308 or 270 and go hunting. They will all go bang and ethically kill any Nz game animals inside 400m. Don’t get hung up on all the Ballistic numbers because realistically it doesn’t bloody matter if you put it in the right spot. The little I have had to do with the smaller 6.5s I have found them not to kill as well as the likes of the 7mm08 and 308, small sample size so there might be others correct me , but I know I will never own one
7mm08 for me
I would choose a 7 x 57, ethically kill any animal in New Zealand very efficiently
One rifle to cover all the big game hunting I do across the country is basically just what I have now and have had in the past. A shortish 7mm shooting a 160 - 168gr pill.
284, 7mm RM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm PRC. Currently on the SAUM but i’m sure i’ll play with a PRC too when they come out.
You hit the nail on the head it doesnt matter which one so long as its .284Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
I think all of us are approaching this from the wrong angle we are stating our rifles generally - one rifle - okay 12 gauge shotgun 6-7 shot smaller birds 3-4 shot ducks 2 shot rabbits geese buckshot goats- solid slug- everything else - (yes two barrels -one rifled )only one problem - convincing those silly DOC buggers to give you a special permit as a 12 gauge rifle
And not to be cheeky and to contribute to the thread for me its 7 saum lite rifle short barrel short action punches near the big 7 magnums performance with less powder leaps and bounds increase in knock down over the 6.5 and not far behind the 30 what more do I need.
correct shot placement will knock them down with most calibers
Im talking knock down not kill if a .22 cal bullet can penetrate at 1000mtrs and placement is correct the target will die eventually/be killed . Thats not knock down powerQuote:
Originally Posted by blip
Shortish 7mm….?…7x57 Mauser, been around since forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
Come up with a decent argument of it failings…
Ammo availability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bent Barrel
thats about it- ammo availability - otherwise pretty much bang on- still think my 12 gauge idea though has merits if one was limited to one rifleQuote:
Originally Posted by Bent Barrel
I love waterfowl hunting but tbh if I could only have one then my shotguns miss out and so do the birds. Big game has always been number one for me so being able to do what I currently do there would win in my priorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
By shortish 7mm i’m referring to rifle/barrel length not cartridge dimensions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bent Barrel
Id probably have a 6.5x55
The king of chamberings!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisW
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The king of kings
Tell ya what I still have a soft spot for the 270 and I've had shit tonnes of other wizz bang cartridges but I have been really really impressed with the 243 for just being a good wee killer thats super easy to shoot, it inspires confidence and is very reliable for neck shots with those animals that are just a wee bit further away, easy to find decent factory ammunition etc etc. Really can't be bothered flinging lead at animals that are 400+yds away these days and anything closer is in a world of trouble with the 243 anyhow.
Interesting the 6.5x55 has been around for ever, manufacturers are still reinventing the wheel around a similar cartridge, the Crudmoor being a prime exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by ChrisW
New sells. Look at bars for eg a bar opens is popular for a while then dies off then same bar renames its self and its off again for a while and so on....
I’m interested in the ‘knock down power’ What exactly is that, can you explain this with physics? I ask because a .30 cal 174gr bullet from a .303 hits a target with slightly less ‘power’ than a cricket ball thrown at the same target….Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
I think ‘knock down’ is a misleading term.
Hillbilly science here Nic, I mean knock it off its feet sort of thing nothing technical bang flop ratioQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick
Maybe. But 0.277” is none of those things. :DQuote:
270 is a harmonic divisor number[1]
270 is the fourth number that is divisible by its average integer divisor[2]
270 is a practical number, by the second definition
The sum of the coprime counts for the first 29 integers is 270
270 is a sparsely totient number, the largest integer with 72 as its totient
Given 6 elements, there are 270 square permutations[3]
10! has 270 divisors
270 is the smallest positive integer that has divisors ending by digits 1, 2, …, 9.
I prefer just drops it on the spot. No need to make the poor animal do cartwheels as well
Short actionQuote:
Originally Posted by Bent Barrel
Short action, woopy-fking-do. People get on this short action crusade to save weight and/or get questionably faster reloading time. Out in the real world you hardly notice either. When it comes to maybe a couple of grams weight saving I'm in the "harden the fuck up camp' or carry a bit less other crap. A bit of weight is usefull to steady the aim after a bit of exertion. Getting back to example of 6.5x55, there are modern 'improvements' on this round but will they be around as long as this well proven round ? I don't own one but mate does and its effective, just like my young 308 or 223. I know it's human nature to try and improve on things but a lot of the old stuff just works. A bit like the automotive industry, the pricipals haven't moved on from designs dating back to the early 1900's or earlier. And remember there were electric vehicles before internal combustion automobiles, just didn't have much range - just like today -:) Sorry, rant over but just had this discussion with a young fella on hill this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
I like your reply especially the A bit of weight is usefull to steady the aim after a bit of exertion. even more so when one comes across the its looking at me shoot now deer: but for me handle something like a Shultz and Larsen or an early Sako and quality just stands out - then pick up a modern Tikka - made to a price and they feel like it - I will sacrifice a little bit of carrying slightly more weight for quality and craftmanship and handling every day of the week -caliber well a bigger hole -availability of ammo -resale - all play a part as I dont reload -my rant for dayQuote:
Originally Posted by woods223
Its not weight nor cycling for me I like short actions always have I like shorter over all rifles I I espically dislike short action cartridges on long actions tikka saur 100 etc 223 on a .270 size action just isnt for me . Personal preference is all . Model 7 being one of my favorite plateforms means the creedmoor has it merits to me personally as I also like to mag feed and edject live roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by woods223
A few opinions here are a bit like the camo thread. People get so staunch because of their own opinion on what has always worked in the past and can’t accept new things that might be better. The old stuff works well, the new stuff works well and often better. You don’t “need” the new stuff to be successful because the older stuff does still work fine but that doesn’t mean that some of the new stuff isn’t better. Stubborn mindsets. Grow, learn, adapt, evolve, improve. No need to get so upset about new stuff, it’s been happening for thousands of years.
Ive always loved the newest shiniest stuff. Going by Craig its a strong gene. :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
:thumbsup: I've got some round wheels if anybody is interested latest craze out...Quote:
Originally Posted by woods223
wrong me old mate...if the barrel is rifled...it is by very definition a RIFLE so the yogi can take me to court..he will end up with egg on his face...as long as you werent carrying pocket full of birdshot he wouldnt have a leg to stand on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
and you forgot about a insert in barrel which does turn it into a rifle..... could be interesting with 12ga rifled barrel and smaller cartridge insert in the other one....
Mickey Duck me old china I agree with you - it is a 12 gauge rifle if it has a rifled barrel - DOC permit condition say any shotgun is out - I tried when in DOC to get permits for guys wanting to use solids no luck -- we need you to try this rifled barrel one out - please keep us posted - top manQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I do at times carry one...... and the rifled barrel .12ga is NO LONGER a shotgun..... any more than a .44 magnum is a shot gun because you can use snake loads in it.
I've got a permit to hunt pheasants in a local forest (with a shotgun), not allowed to carry slugs. pity as there is the odd fallow running around.
Sometimes I think the royal "they" like to make silly rules cause they can.
pheasants get pretty big....are there any restrictions on the size of pellets???? a couple of #7 buckshot would take care of any hard to kill "pheasants" quite nicely I would have though.....under 30 yards a load of #BBs would do tooQuote:
Originally Posted by 7mm tragic
308 for me.
I think its about the maximum in the recoil department that most people can handle well. It is an accurate cartridge with a myriad of projectile choices and is not powder specific to get good results from.I never feel I should have taken something else out when I head off with a 308.
.375 H&H will cover all your needs for anywhere on the globe.
Get me one in a double and I’d be more than happy QD mounts with a scope for out long and reddot for tight bush.
Cover me ele to possums (got to love the instant pluck:XD:)
Also handy in that broken down there easy to transport.
Himmm better start looking:)