Hi, just wondering if it's a big hastle to import a replacement bell and carlson stock for my T3 from the states. $599 in Nz and less than half that in the states. Any help would be appreciated.
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Hi, just wondering if it's a big hastle to import a replacement bell and carlson stock for my T3 from the states. $599 in Nz and less than half that in the states. Any help would be appreciated.
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No hassle importing, the hassle is exporting from the USA.
True, so they can't really do it without extensive paperwork?
Paperwork is not bad, end use agreement, NZ import permit, purchase order form, DSP83 form.
Its whether the manufacturer is registered for export and the company you are buying from will export to NZ.
Who are you buying it from?
Not to sure where I'll buy yet, but any recommendations would be appreciated.
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I recently bought one in from Mountain Tactical Company, home of The Tikka Performance Center without any hassles at all.
Yea I saw mountain tactical too, they have some good looking wooden stocks and a couple tactical ones but not really a kiwi hunter tipe if you know what I saying.
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This is the one I went for....seems pretty standard to me? Apart from the cat. What do you mean by kiwi hunter type out of interest?
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Lite weight, straight forward stock thats better that the tikka factory offering with regards to bedding. I like a synthetic stock. The bell and carlson best describes what I'm trying to get from the US.
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Ah gotya.
Your stock looks great, I'll be to scared to scratch it in the field.
I've used Redhawk Rilfes and certainly a top guys and top service. Email them for payment detail and checking on stock levels etc.
@Matt2308 has the one from Redhawk on his T3
Out of curiosity what is it you don't like with the factory stock?
Does the gun not shoot very well, or does it not have a nice feel to it?
Cheers mate, I'll flick them a email.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
It shoots good mate, just not a big of the look to be honest. Bottom line is I'd like a aftermarket stock with a bit more rigidity and better bedding wile I have the funds ( at a more affordable price than local)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
Thanks for all the info guys, just bought a Bell and carlson stock from red hawk rifles. $299 usd all up.
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Make sure to take the stock to a smith for some additional inletting of the action bolts otherwise your rifle will rock under recoil. They are poorly Inletted for the t3 also the rear tang needs a little work,just stating the probs that I had with mine! I also added some additional s/s pillars as theirs are way to big for the action screws in my opinion,by the time you do all that you will find that the tikka shoots better with the OEM Tupperware !Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmar100
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Ive emailed my AO on getting a permit to bring in AR15 bits, he hasnt replied so I'll pop in this week, I'll let you know how I get on. From previous casual chats he seemed fine. Ive certainly brought in 3 or 4 Enfield stocks from the UK with no permits and no issues at all. I did chat to my AO first just in case and he was happy, only "concerned" if it was a semi-auto part.
Is that with the shipping @Jmar100
Yea mate, $55 priority mail included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Pretty good really. The B & C's look nice too
Couple of q's here, what was causing the rocking under recoil? And what effect do you think the oversized pillars were having? Were you seeing effects on accuracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by mayfly
Oversized pillars shouldn't have any effect on accuracy as they are there to stop over tightening of the action screws.
If you take a close look at the photo you firstly will see that we had to scallop out the recoil lugs that are present on all factory Tikka stocks but not on the B&C,secondly you will also see that the B&C stock is rounded at the bottom where as the Tikka stock is flattened to suit the action,all these caused my shoots to impact at different places with each shot,never consistent. Had two different benchrest shooters try also just to eliminate my possible error. She is tight as now and shoots .5moa as the original Tupperware stock did!Quote:
Originally Posted by Freezer
Thanks for your reply . I'm super interested in stocks that don't shoot. The pillars being loose should have been sweet . If you don't mind me asking, do you mean that the inletting/ bedding block is rounded? Like you say that seems like a silly oversight. Great to hear that you got it sorted but unfortunate that people will have to go through this also!
Exactly that,rounded bedding block versus a semi flat action,in my opinion B&C stuffed up big time with the Tikka I certainly don't rate them apart for a better feel and a better palm swell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freezer
Recoil lugs/action screws? I have read a wee bit on the B&C and some report that the recoil lug is fixed and can't be adjusted? Was your recoil lug a good fit to the T3 action?Quote:
Originally Posted by mayfly
+1 on redhawk bro, got one through them - easier than getting a rash on k road
Mate!.....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ARdave
Hi, Just chatted to my local AO and the instructions seem to have changed/been clarified a bit. So if you want to bring parts in I suggest you chat to your AO just to be 100% sure. I think its good to chat to him anyway.
This is what he tells me,
If you want to,
a) bring in a complete AR15/gun, you need an import permit.
b) If you want to bring in a complete action ie complete bolt and receiver you need an import permit.
c) If you want to bring in any MSSA part (eg pistol grip stock, 30round mag) or part that will go on a MSSA you will need an import permit.
d) If you want to bring in a bayonet you need a good reason and get the OA to do an import permit.
Permits will take about 2 weeks.
So
a) you can bring in a complete AR15 upper (BCG and barrel and receiver) say, no permit needed and none will be issued.
b) you can bring in a stripped lower without any MSSA parts on it, no permit needed and none will be issued.
c) stocks, springs, minor parts, etc no permit needed and none will be issued.
From the USA side its more complex, if its Brownells say,
a) you need to fill out a "end user statement for export" which Brownells will send you. In that you say its for your personal use and what you will use it for.
b) you need to fill out a "DSP-83" which Brownells will send you. It has to be counter signed by the NZ Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade to say they wont allow it to be exported.
c) Tell Brownells no import certificate is needed (as long as its a Cat A part or gun).
The people with a problem or who will cause you a problem are NZ customs so chatting to your AO before hand to make sure he knows and he's is on your side would seem sensible.
That is not correct. A permit is required for a complete upper, as this is the action.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Police policy is a permit is required for an AR15 lower as well.
From NZPOL website:
"A permit is not required for parts of a sporting rifle or shotgun other than the complete action (upper and/or lower receiver for AR/AK types)."
Further information from the NZPOL guide for importing parts:
Section 18 of the Arms Act 1983 provides for the issuance of permits to import for the purposes of section 16 of the Arms Act 1983. There is no provision for Police to issue a permit
to import for components of firearms, other than those that fall within the definition of ‘part’ above.
To summarise, the only component of a firearm (that is not a pistol, restricted weapon or MSSA) that requires a permit to import is the action of that firearm.
Police do not have a practice of issuing a letter stating that a component does not require a permit to import and suggest that if further information is required by overseas authorities, reference can be made to this information on the New Zealand Police website.
http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...f-firearms.pdf
The DSP-83 doesn't need to be signed by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You only need to complete sections 3, 4, 5 and 7. The State Department won't accept your word that an import permit is not required. They need a letter stating that, or an import permit.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
:pissed off: Brownells now tell me they need a letter stateing I dont need an import permit and the NZ police wont issue such a letter...
ffs
I got the guy at the Ministry and he'll sign "the not allowed to export bit" no problems.
Seems I am now stuffed unless Brownells accept my word I dont need a permit...
:wtfsmilie:
So it maybe I go get a E class endorsemnt as taht forced the police to write me a permit...
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Write the letter yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
See my previous post for information regarding this matter from the NZPOL website.
No one needs to sign section 8 "the not allowed to export bit".Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Needing an import permit isn't a Brownells thing. The US State Department require it (or a letter) as part of the export process.
What parts are you trying to get? Just get an import permit.
This is interesting as there is so much confusion.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Banana
I want some AR15 parts like uppers and lowers.
I went to get an import permit and the Police AO said he wouldnt issue one (he was not allowed to) as one was not legally required. It is only legally required for a complete gun or a complete action, or a MSSA part or a part going on a MSSA.
I have written a "personal" letter this morning and sent it off, lets see how it goes.
Section8, well I have an MAFT official happy to sign it so I'll get him to sign it, its free anyway.
Your AO is giving you really bad advice. Police consider the upper and/or lower to be the 'action', so they both require import permits. This is stated on the police website.
A permit is not required for parts of a sporting rifle or shotgun other than the complete action (upper and/or lower receiver for AR/AK types). Firearms application forms | New Zealand Police
Going off your AO's word, anyone could import AR15s as long as they weren't assembled.
From the guidelines on the DDTC website:
Item 8 of the DSP-83 needs to be completed ONLY when the foreign government is the end-user of a commodity.
They capitalized ONLY, not me.
Getting someone to sign section 8 will most likely cause your license to be declined.
Hi,
Well I have asked my AO, if it goes to custard I cant be told off too much as I have talked to him for his clearance and I have gone off what he has told me, I mean I have done everything in my power to comply. Also I specifically asked about upper and lower AR15 parts. So that english "upper AND lower" of an AR15 would be a complete AR15 in effect so yes this would require a permit. I did ask about a lower and if its stripped its a part and not a complete item as far as he is concerned, so no problems. While the US says a lower is the firearm it isnt an action under NZ law, its a trigger assembly, wierd huh.
oh boy it shouldnt be opaque
:/
I will take your suggestion and leave 8 unsigned and see how it goes, worst case Brownells sends it back to be done.
In terms of the Police import application form, this wording is what made me go ask the AO after I read it.
Lets see how this goes.
