Innovative Gunsmith Wanted?

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23-02-2017, 11:56 AM
LJP

Innovative Gunsmith Wanted?

Hi Guy's,
In the need of recommendation of an innovative gunsmith. I'm wanting to put together an accurate, suppressed 44 magnum built off the Ruger 77/44 bolt action platform. I've collected a donor rifle, fast twist shilen barrel, A - Tec suppressor & a Jard trigger over a period. The intent is to accurately shoot subsonic out to 200 yards for a quiet, walkabout game collecting rifle. I want to true the action / bolt face, chamber & fit the barrel & suppressor, fit a tapered 20moa picatinny rail, fit a tacticool bolt handle & lastly bed the stock & stiffen up the flexible forend. I now have a March 3-25 FFP mill scope for dial up duties so now just need a gunsmith to make everything come together. Gunsmith suggestions?
23-02-2017, 11:56 AM
7mmsaum

Scott Trail

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23-02-2017, 12:35 PM
Monk

+1 for Scott Trail
23-02-2017, 12:57 PM
Tahr

Yup. Straight to Scott Trail.
23-02-2017, 01:57 PM
Mathias

Yep, Scott was my first thought to. Keen to see a future post once sorted.
23-02-2017, 02:25 PM
LJP

I'll have to get in touch with Scott. Thought he was concentrating on suppressor manufacturing only & not accepting gunsmithing work. Yeah really keen myself to see if a subsonic 44 mag projectile will kill deer sized game humanely out to a few hundred yards if placed correctly. Done the long range thing so now feel like a new challenge - didn't like my 300 black much so looking 44cal for larger holes & hopefully cleaner subsonic kills.
23-02-2017, 06:10 PM
scoped

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Originally Posted by LJP

I'll have to get in touch with Scott. Thought he was concentrating on suppressor manufacturing only & not accepting gunsmithing work. Yeah really keen myself to see if a subsonic 44 mag projectile will kill deer sized game humanely out to a few hundred yards if placed correctly. Done the long range thing so now feel like a new challenge - didn't like my 300 black much so looking 44cal for larger holes & hopefully cleaner subsonic kills.

good luck, unless you can pull of a headshot or use properly designed subsonic projectiles it might me hard work
23-02-2017, 06:17 PM
veitnamcam

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Originally Posted by scoped

good luck, unless you can pull of a headshot or use properly designed subsonic projectiles it might me hard work

Lots of pistol projectiles available designed to expand at subsonic muzzle velocities.
23-02-2017, 08:53 PM
sometimes

Gun-Tech nz Cobus Calits 075785043 try him
23-02-2017, 08:54 PM
sometimes

Gun-Tech nz Cobus Calitz 075785043 try him
23-02-2017, 09:06 PM
rossi.45

Nelson Colie at Status Guns . . good guy to talk to and great workmanship . . . worth a look

Status_Silent
23-02-2017, 09:25 PM
tikka

What barrel length you going with and what projectiles?. I look forward to see the end results. When I was keen on a longer range subsonic killer was looking at the 510 whisper, 338 whisper, 338 spectre and the 300 Blackout. The Blackout won it was the cheapest and easiest to run for brass and bullets.
23-02-2017, 09:37 PM
specweapon

I built my 9.5" barrelled .300blk pig to be super quiet with extra baffles robbed from 2 modular suppressors , and it is whisper quiet but i find when I go hunting I just shoot supers because it never misses and I don't need to get the range 100% accurate, I can't remember why i actually needed a quiet gun...
23-02-2017, 10:32 PM
tikka

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Originally Posted by specweapon

I built my 9.5" barrelled .300blk pig to be super quiet with extra baffles robbed from 2 modular suppressors , and it is whisper quiet but i find when I go hunting I just shoot supers because it never misses and I don't need to get the range 100% accurate, I can't remember why i actually needed a quiet gun...

Yes that is the problem with subsonic hunting constantly using a rangefinder. I do that sometimes too running supers in open county and pre dial up the average range say 150m or 180m then just point and shoot or if I have got time and a good rest swap back to subs and redial easy as, best of both worlds.

I have always liked the Ruger 77/44, a mates got one and shot a lot of fiorland deer and it's very quick to shoulder. With supers I think it's the ultimate close range pissing down with rain roar gun. It will put a world of hurt on any deer that get hit. Never seen a deer go far from being hit with one.
23-02-2017, 11:29 PM
mcdeee

If you need a backup gunsmith, I can recommend Moritz (https://www.facebook.com/Gmwgunsmith...0305389868841/)
24-02-2017, 12:09 AM
Friwi

Hi Ljp,
As I followed a similar path 15 years ago with my dreming expectations not matched ,I have Just a few suggestions regarding your built:
Once you found your gunsmith .

-Make sure that the reamer used is a Rifle reamer and not a pistol Reamer. A custom one with tighter tolerances would be a plus. ( with interchangeable pilots to perfectly match your barrel, we are talking at least 250$ worth of tooling here)
- if you fancy a picatinny base go for it, but the ruger Steel rings properly lapped with your March scope should give you all satisfaction for the range you are going to shoot at.
-regarding the blue printing, the face truing of the action can be useful, recuting the thread, I am not sure you will get any advantage, as to truing the bolt face, the bolt being in two parts with the front part floating, I am not sure you are going to get much. However insuring that the lugs have good contact on the action is important as I had to correct that on one of my 77/22 in the past.

Suppressor wise, whatever brand you are going to go with , you are going to be disappointed by the noise reduction with a 44 pill, specially if you use heavy 300 xtp, as the heavier the pill, the more powder you need, the more gases it produces that you have to contain and suppress.

As to the original plastic stock, I would replace it with a Boyd laminated, simply because it will be more rigid and way way better for doing an acceptable bedding inside.

Before committing to the built, I d suggest that you get your suppressor fitted to your original barrel, replace the trigger if you want and fit your March scope in some ruger rings and start shooting the gun as is and develop some sub loads. and then, if you are happy with noise, trajectory ..etc then commit to the built. That might save you some money.
I have been there with 2 ruger 77/44, three different suppressors, and a custom 458 socom built.
24-02-2017, 08:27 AM
223nut

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Originally Posted by rossi.45

Nelson Colie at Status Guns . . good guy to talk to and great workmanship . . . worth a look

Status_Silent

+1 for Nelson he played with my 10/22 and happy with it. Great communication
24-02-2017, 09:13 AM
LJP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Friwi

Hi Ljp,
As I followed a similar path 15 years ago with my dreming expectations not matched ,I have Just a few suggestions regarding your built:
Once you found your gunsmith .

-Make sure that the reamer used is a Rifle reamer and not a pistol Reamer. A custom one with tighter tolerances would be a plus. ( with interchangeable pilots to perfectly match your barrel, we are talking at least 250$ worth of tooling here)
- if you fancy a picatinny base go for it, but the ruger Steel rings properly lapped with your March scope should give you all satisfaction for the range you are going to shoot at.
-regarding the blue printing, the face truing of the action can be useful, recuting the thread, I am not sure you will get any advantage, as to truing the bolt face, the bolt being in two parts with the front part floating, I am not sure you are going to get much. However insuring that the lugs have good contact on the action is important as I had to correct that on one of my 77/22 in the past.

Suppressor wise, whatever brand you are going to go with , you are going to be disappointed by the noise reduction with a 44 pill, specially if you use heavy 300 xtp, as the heavier the pill, the more powder you need, the more gases it produces that you have to contain and suppress.

As to the original plastic stock, I would replace it with a Boyd laminated, simply because it will be more rigid and way way better for doing an acceptable bedding inside.

Before committing to the built, I d suggest that you get your suppressor fitted to your original barrel, replace the trigger if you want and fit your March scope in some ruger rings and start shooting the gun as is and develop some sub loads. and then, if you are happy with noise, trajectory ..etc then commit to the built. That might save you some money.
I have been there with 2 ruger 77/44, three different suppressors, and a custom 458 socom built.

Appreciate the wisdom Friwi, your've answered a lot of my concerns that I had regarding the Ruger rifle. I was thinking chambering specificaly in 44 special & concentrate on 200 & 240gr anyway as I couldn't get my hands on a Douglas 1-11" twist for 300gr so settle on a 1-16" twist which should suit these bullet weights nicely. I had read a few posts with improved accuracy with a stock replacement - the factory stock does seem to be quite floppy & no real room for bedding improvement. The boyd stocks listed are all over $100US so they don't ship, crap need to find a local dealer for the stock now. The March scope has something like 20mil elevation so I might be ok without a tapered base, depending how much "up" i have left after zeroing.
24-02-2017, 11:07 AM
shooternz

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Originally Posted by LJP

Appreciate the wisdom Friwi, your've answered a lot of my concerns that I had regarding the Ruger rifle. I was thinking chambering specificaly in 44 special & concentrate on 200 & 240gr anyway as I couldn't get my hands on a Douglas 1-11" twist for 300gr so settle on a 1-16" twist which should suit these bullet weights nicely. I had read a few posts with improved accuracy with a stock replacement - the factory stock does seem to be quite floppy & no real room for bedding improvement. The boyd stocks listed are all over $100US so they don't ship, crap need to find a local dealer for the stock now. The March scope has something like 20mil elevation so I might be ok without a tapered base, depending how much "up" i have left after zeroing.

I am interested in this build I could do with a .44 mag to test my cast bullets in at present I have to rely on feedback from others, friwi is right do your basic trials with the standard set up I have a customer that is in pest control
he uses a Ruger 77/44 with my bullets and is getting pass throughs with my 280 gr FP at 900fps at 100 metres, I wouldn't bother with .44 Special cases are hard to source and could cost more than the mag cases, your Ruger will have a 1:20" twist it should be ok with 300 grain bullets, If you would like to test some bullets for me I will supply you some of each 280 FP 270HP 260HP to get you started, A friend recently won a 200 metre Handgun Silhouette comp with a score of 37/40 he missed 2 Chickens at 50 metres and 1 Ram at 200 metres so they are accurate, contact me at "robs.reload@gmail.com" if interested, Robert.
24-02-2017, 01:47 PM
LJP

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Originally Posted by shooternz

I am interested in this build I could do with a .44 mag to test my cast bullets in at present I have to rely on feedback from others, friwi is right do your basic trials with the standard set up I have a customer that is in pest control
he uses a Ruger 77/44 with my bullets and is getting pass throughs with my 280 gr FP at 900fps at 100 metres, I wouldn't bother with .44 Special cases are hard to source and could cost more than the mag cases, your Ruger will have a 1:20" twist it should be ok with 300 grain bullets, If you would like to test some bullets for me I will supply you some of each 280 FP 270HP 260HP to get you started, A friend recently won a 200 metre Handgun Silhouette comp with a score of 37/40 he missed 2 Chickens at 50 metres and 1 Ram at 200 metres so they are accurate, contact me at "robs.reload@gmail.com" if interested, Robert.

Hi Robert,
Thanks for the offer. I'll make contact once its ready to go - Will be interesting to compare cast vs jacketed.
24-02-2017, 04:59 PM
shooternz

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Originally Posted by LJP

Hi Robert,
Thanks for the offer. I'll make contact once its ready to go - Will be interesting to compare cast vs jacketed.

Half the price and you don't wear out your barrel
24-02-2017, 06:26 PM
mucko

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJP

Hi Guy's,
In the need of recommendation of an innovative gunsmith. I'm wanting to put together an accurate, suppressed 44 magnum built off the Ruger 77/44 bolt action platform. I've collected a donor rifle, fast twist shilen barrel, A - Tec suppressor & a Jard trigger over a period. The intent is to accurately shoot subsonic out to 200 yards for a quiet, walkabout game collecting rifle. I want to true the action / bolt face, chamber & fit the barrel & suppressor, fit a tapered 20moa picatinny rail, fit a tacticool bolt handle & lastly bed the stock & stiffen up the flexible forend. I now have a March 3-25 FFP mill scope for dial up duties so now just need a gunsmith to make everything come together. Gunsmith suggestions?

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