norinco 7.62x39mm and you wont give a shit cutting the stock shorter...can add it back on later or just keep increasing the recoil pad....WHY because its plurry close to .223 in a lot of ways but better in others..both use same amount of ar2206 powder so bang is similar...dead easy to suppress..use your .308 suppressor more than likely..I shared one between the x39mm and 270
the x39mm gives more margin for error and hits with projectile 2-3times heavier depending on load....shot placement is slightly easier as more oomph to break bones etc... I did sell mine after kids moved onto bigger things but often regret doing so as it was such a fun rifle to carry and just shoot stuff with......WITH ONE PROVISO...keep the range under 150 yards....75yards and under even better...it kills reds and pigs very well and my box of hornady training rounds 123grn sst was nearly all used up one night spotlighting big forestry wallabies..holy smoke did it smack them down with authority...goats would be identical I believe.
NZHunter did awesome article about ten years ago...calibres for under 16s think it was called....really good read top 3 choices were .243 7.62x39mm and 223...... but .223 for cool calm shot only.
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