Thread: Leaving magazines loaded (legal issues?)

Originally Posted by Cyclops

While you may be able to have a rifle with the bolt in in you car why would you?
That makes it more easy for someone to steal a functional rfile....

That is true and it's doubtful whether a crim would try and obtain a new bolt for a rifle although entirely possible of course. However, rifles without bolts still get stolen and can be used to intimidate people, i.e. bank robbery etc.

Obviously, keep your firearms hidden from view and your vehicle locked when visiting a service station. If you have to use the toilet and we all do sooner or later, especially on long trips and you're travelling alone, tell the cashier you have a firearm in your locked vehicle and please keep a close eye on it while you're temporarily engaged out back.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Obviously, keep your firearms hidden from view and your vehicle locked when visiting a service station. If you have to use the toilet and we all do sooner or later, especially on long trips and you're travelling alone, tell the cashier you have a firearm in your locked vehicle and please keep a close eye on it while you're temporarily engaged out back.

While sensible, that's not the law - unless of course you verify said cashier has the approprate FAL for whats in the car he attends for you.

You have a couple choices when stopping to use Mr John Crapper's invention:

1) Compromise and bring the bolt with you, still breaking the law but cops hopefully less likely to charge you if your firearm takes wings. Alternative is trigger locks etc. to render the firearm inoperable.

2) Bring gun with you (preferably in its case). To avoid AOS callout, explain to attendant you're forbidden from leaving it in an unattended vehicle, but your urge to go has supervened. If you get into trouble, point out that you did try quoting the law at your rectum but it only seemed to inflame matters and strengthen its resolve to let go. The judge will understand.

Originally Posted by Cordite

2) Bring gun with you (preferably in its case). To avoid AOS callout, explain to attendant you're forbidden from leaving it in an unattended vehicle, but your urge to go has supervened. If you get into trouble, point out that you did try quoting the law at your rectum but it only seemed to inflame matters and strengthen its resolve to let go. The judge will understand.

People shouldn't have to go through this dilemma just to use the bathroom or even get a meal on long trips - It's unrealistic and very impractical.

Why couldn't something like this be an option? If there were to be an amendment to the law for carrying firearms in vehicles this would be an easy option to be certified for unattended vehicles.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

People shouldn't have to go through this dilemma just to use the bathroom or even get a meal on long trips - It's unrealistic and very impractical.

Why couldn't something like this be an option? If there were to be an amendment to the law for carrying firearms in vehicles this would be an easy option to be certified for unattended vehicles.

Have asked 2 arms officers if I could get a safe installed in a vehicle and sighed off.... No go as vehicle can be stolen even if locked and immobiliser installed (a cat house security can get away with less )

I agree here should be an amendment to have them stored securely in a vehicle, the police vehicles have them installed.....

Originally Posted by 223nut

I agree here should be an amendment to have them stored securely in a vehicle, the police vehicles have them installed.....

Exactly.

Originally Posted by 223nut

Have asked 2 arms officers if I could get a safe installed in a vehicle and sighed off.... No go as vehicle can be stolen even if locked and immobiliser installed (a cat house security can get away with less )

I agree here should be an amendment to have them stored securely in a vehicle, the police vehicles have them installed.....

I've been told otherwise by some arms officers, though it took calling 5 different ones to get one that would sign off my vehicle if I had a safe installed and a good alarm from a reputable installer.

Originally Posted by Macca

I've been told otherwise by some arms officers, though it took calling 5 different ones to get one that would sign off my vehicle if I had a safe installed and a good alarm from a reputable installer.

Was the sign off to you in writing from your AO?

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Was the sign off to you in writing from your AO?

I never went ahead with it as the engineers quote was way higher than expected and didn't have the time to install one myself. He did however say he would sign it off, presumably on paper.

He said as long as the vehicle has an immobilizer then it can be classified as non moving or a residence.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

People shouldn't have to go through this dilemma just to use the bathroom or even get a meal on long trips - It's unrealistic and very impractical.

Why couldn't something like this be an option? If there were to be an amendment to the law for carrying firearms in vehicles this would be an easy option to be certified for unattended vehicles.

I don't give a shit if someone takes offence at me carrying a firearm in public and then calls the cops.

They are wasting cops time, and making themselves look like fools.
If I need a crap, ill be taking my rifle with me just as the law expects me to do so.

I will never do anything to jeopardize my shooting hobby/licence.
So with me the guns come. To the general public who don't like that too bad.
Even if I have to deal with some grumpy meat head who tells me to leave the gun in the car.......
Id laugh if it wound up in court.

Originally Posted by 40mm

I don't give a shit if someone takes offence at me carrying a firearm in public and then calls the cops.

They are wasting cops time, and making themselves look like fools.
If I need a crap, ill be taking my rifle with me just as the law expects me to do so.

I will never do anything to jeopardize my shooting hobby/licence.
So with me the guns come. To the general public who don't like that too bad.
Even if I have to deal with some grumpy meat head who tells me to leave the gun in the car.......
Id laugh if it wound up in court.

The law does NOT expect you to take your guns with you for a crap.

It requires that you don't leave firearms unattended in a vehicle.

There's a big difference and you are quite likely to make yourself, and by extension all shooters, look like a fucking idiot if you try to push it by taking guns where you shouldn't.

Originally Posted by systolic

The law does NOT expect you to take your guns with you for a crap.

It requires that you don't leave firearms unattended in a vehicle.

There's a big difference and you are quite likely to make yourself, and by extension all shooters, look like a fucking idiot if you try to push it by taking guns where you shouldn't.

the only thing ill be pushing is a big turd out my arse while my rifle sits beside me in its bag (not in my car like an irresponsible firearms owner)

Originally Posted by Cordite

While sensible, that's not the law - unless of course you verify said cashier has the approprate FAL for whats in the car he attends for you.

I can't find any reference in the Arms Act or Arms Regulations that says whoever is watching your unattended vehicle on your behalf has to have a current FAL.

Many firearms don't have bolts of course and a trigger lock is easily removed simply by unscrewing the trigger guard. Trigger locks are more of a safety measure.

Carrying a firearm with you to the bog is going to freak out a lot of customers, especially in these times of PC and anti firearm brain washed citizens. Can't see that ever being allowed.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

I can't find any reference in the Arms Act or Arms Regulations that says whoever is watching your unattended vehicle on your behalf has to have a current FAL.

Many firearms don't have bolts of course and a trigger lock is easily removed simply by unscrewing the trigger guard. Trigger locks are more of a safety measure.

Carrying a firearm with you to the bog is going to freak out a lot of customers, especially in these times of PC and anti firearm brain washed citizens. Can't see that ever being allowed.

You are allowed to carry a firearm in a public place if you have good reason. Happened just recently down Timaru/Ashburton way with a guy carrying his rifle into a toilet because it was illegal to leave it unattended in his car. It does show the unintended consequences of laws.

Originally Posted by stug

You are allowed to carry a firearm in a public place if you have good reason. ...

True enough. By not being allowed I meant a no go policy by the owners of the fuel station or eatery. Being a private business and not a public place such as the town square, they may be able to enforce such a policy.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

True enough. By not being allowed I meant a no go policy by the owners of the fuel station or eatery. Being a private business and not a public place such as the town square, they may be able to enforce such a policy.

best to just do it then and by the time you have been told off, you would have already used their toilet!