If a rifle is a tiny bit short to be legal length can a suppressor be permanently attached to make it long enough and if so how can suppressor be attached to make it legally fixed in position? ( Unremovable ) I assume loctite is not adequate.
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If a rifle is a tiny bit short to be legal length can a suppressor be permanently attached to make it long enough and if so how can suppressor be attached to make it legally fixed in position? ( Unremovable ) I assume loctite is not adequate.
A thicker recoil pad would be easier
It would need to be a fixed break pinned on at least so it’s not removableQuote:
Originally Posted by RUMPY
Ive heard differing interpretations on this. Ive had 2 rifles under 762(only just) and have just kept suppressors on them. I think it has to do with the intent of use "is not designed or adapted to be held and fired with 1 hand" thats section 50 of arms act but
does still apply.
It's not really up for interpretation on legal length. The Arms Act states it pretty clearly. If they are under 762mm they are pistols. The key part below is "And includes any firearm"Quote:
Originally Posted by MCCPRO
There is interpretation on how you fix this. From experience suppressors aren't really accepted anymore but this is fairly grey area.
pistol means a firearm (other than a prohibited firearm or restricted weapon) that is designed or adapted to be held and fired with 1 hand, and includes any firearm (other than a prohibited firearm or restricted weapon) that is less than 762 millimetres in length
Police policy is to measure to the rifling.
Regards if the supressor is welded or pinned in needing a tool to remove for cleaning.
Hence the p90 style bullpup stocks for 10/22 are no longer for sale. As they were sold with pinned suppressors to make longer than 762mm
I know there was on going saga about this but not sure if it ever got any clarification.
How are you measuring it? The correct method is to measure from the muzzle to the toe of the butt to achieve the greatest measurement. A bare 762mm is legal. Do not measure parallel to the bore as it will appear 8-10mm shorter. This is Court precedent as the 'length' of an item is the longest distance from one end point to the other, not from one end to a point in space. Imagine the length of a right-angled triangle. It is not the length from the furthest point to the 90 degree corner. It is the length of the hypotenuse.
So its the fault of that greek barstard Pythagoras again fuck he caused some grief as an apprentice builder .Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
I measured mine from the muzzle to the furthest point in a straight line. Not the Hypotenuse. So im safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
762 on the horizontal with toe 150mm below gives 777mm. 200mm toe below gives 789mm. I cold of chopped another ~14mm off my barrel if i really wanted haha.
what have you purchased without consulting me?????
best you bring it around so we can measure it up properly,I do happen to have a fat recoil pad sitting spare too.
I haven't bought anything just wanted to know if permanently attaching a suppressor to a short barrel makes it legal length.
I was about to ask, when do we get to see photos? But alas...
I had to print a stock extension to get a 10/22 to legal length, it needed a touch over 30mm
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You should print one with the logo «* barely legal*» on it :-)
Great job, I have just got a printer I will have a playQuote:
Originally Posted by makka
Cheers
Darren
Yeah, they are quite good fun and can turn out some cool bits. I have a resin printer, its amazing the detail vs a normal printerQuote:
Originally Posted by Fssprecision
Half the fun is drawing the stuff in CAD too
I guess a clever fella could turn up a short barrel extension eg pipe threaded on both ends,one internal,one external and thread it onto existing thread and somehow make it permanent.....tight thread with locktite???cold solder?? perhaps..its no more temperary than a normal barrel if you have hacksaw or angle grinder....I have seen a review of a shot gun that had one...and have never seen or heard anything about it since.....it you think about it the likes of the 700 pumps that came out with stupidly short barrels could very simply be extended back to 25-26-28" with double ended piece of barrel.... heck you could even make a batman special into a decent waterfowl gun.
I am very new to this, got an Ender 3 S1 Pro and using Tinkercad (very easy to use), but seems to have so many possibilities. I do a lot of muzzle threading and always get asked for thread caps so have started squirting them out. A friend has both and as you say resin is better in certain applications.Quote:
Originally Posted by makka
Cheers
I have been using fusion 360, been a bit of a learning curve but good fun.
I did some thread caps the other day too!
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Would anyone know how telescopic buts are measured? I remember reading some time ago in the days of E-Cat that police considered overall length to me measured with the stock in its fully opened position. Would this technically still be the case?
I believe the case with folding stocks (not sure about extendable stocks) is that if they can be fired with the stock folded the measurement is taken in the folded position. And of course many would be under the legal length.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick303
If by folding the stock the trigger cannot be operated (as in some firearms) the legal measurement is taken with the stock unfolded/extended.
nope..in fully shrunk position unless permanently pinned would be more likely correct..EG the smallest/shortest it can be.... why a folding stock must block trigger/action from being used in folding position if my memory serves me correctly.
snap...zimmer must have been typing at same time LOL.
I tried using AI for an answer but I’m unable to verify if still true.
“In New Zealand, the overall length of a rifle
with a telescoping buttstock is measured in
the fully extended position. This is because
the length of the firearm is a factor in
determining its classification under New
Zealand's firearms laws, and the fully
extended position is seen as the firearm's
maximum potential length. The
measurement is taken from the tip of the
rifle's barrel to the end of the buttstock, with
the buttstock fully extended.”
nick.....that reads maximum extended length....NOT minimum which is the relevant bit.
Yeah nah he'd get done for Copyright Infringement, I vaguely recall a series of videos on VHS going by such a name :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
@makka slightly off topic with this thread but would making a cap like you have shown above but with a blank end on it be something you could make and sell? Ive wanted something like this for a while, currently when my rifle is in the scabbard on my pack i put some tape over the end of the barrel to stop shit getting down it when im travelling, take it off and fit supressor when im ready to hunt. Having a cap like that to seal off the end of the barrel rather than using tape would be awesome :thumbsup:
I would be inclined to try plastic bottle caps and find something that will go on...sooner or later you just know "it" will happen.
Have thought of that but most caps are too large for the threaded end of the muzzle. I never shoot this rifle without putting the supressor on so "it" wouldnt be an issue, but i do see where your coming from. If something was made that was good enough to screw on and seal the barrel from debris, but thin/weak enough to just fly apart if you were to fire a shot with it still threaded on, that would be ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Ive thought a toothpaste lid would be ideal....like a flip up scope cover
Not a bad idea. Well see what makka says, Im all for spending money with other forum members if hes wanting to make something up :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
There was a time, about 15 years ago, when a suprising statement came out of Police HQ that 'overall length' would be measured in with the stock in the open or extended position. This was generally E cat firearms anyway, so a small pool of already more heavily scrutinised items, and expected to apply to things like m1a1 carbines and 14.5" AR15s. . Then policy reversed about 2-3 years later when Police HQ was under new management. It didnt help that a small number of folks decided to take the piss and put tele or folding stocks on 10.5" barreled ARs, or flaunt underfolding AKs.
I jam a rubber chair leg tip over the end of my knurled thread protectors to seal the barrel and also works in the safe to protect the crown when storing barrel down.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
Keep barrel covered in the bush until you are ready to fit suppressor.
Several sizes available depending on OD of thread protector. Leave rubber chair tip on and just unscrew thread protector as usual. I wouldn't want to shoot through it though.
https://www.bunnings.co.nz/surface-g...-pack_p4050073
I could do something like that, I'm still perfecting getting the printed threads spot on but am pretty close.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
If I just printed the end cap quite thin then if "it" was to happen then it wouldn't be a problem
What thread have you got?
The one I printed came up well though
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M15x1 & 5/8x24 are my main riflesQuote:
Originally Posted by makka
I've read it a few times but I'm still not sure I'm reading it right, does this mean that prohibited firearms do not have a minimum length requirement at all? "Other than a prohibited firearm". Or are the defined separately in a different part of the act?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coop
'Restricted Weapons' and 'Prohibited Firearms' are already subject to greater security precautions and vetting than 'Pistols'. The thrust of the Arms Act is to ensure only vetted people with appropriate security have these 3 types of firearms. Applying the overall length rules to Restricted and Prohibited is achieving nothing. Any neer-do-well with unticketed Restricted or Prohibited firearms will be subject to far greater penalties than just possession of a Pistol.
Unfortunately, these ne'er do wells also couldn't care about the repurcussions and when they do get caught they get let off with a hug and an apology for having to hit them with a wet bus ticket......Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
So my u/o 12 gauge is a long pistol, I hold the spotlight in the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coop
Sounds like the police have become a fan of the sexual indentification brigade.
I know the rules, but 762mm is an imperial conversion FFS:thumbsup:
