Lever action

The Winchester down stroke tilts the cartridge upwards on the feeding ramp, and pushes in in on the upstroke. It should feed faultlessly no matter how slow or fast you work it. It wont go upside down though...

I have never seen a Winchester 94 that wouldn't feed properly. But I have seen one with a crooked barrel. Whether it was made that way or a horse rolled on it I don't know. I have also seen one with that wasn't quite screwed in right, the extractor wasn't quite round enough, and the sights were off kilter. I suspect it came that way. I have looked at a lot of them though.
What is more common in rifles made in the 1960's, or ones that have been used hard, is to have a loose lever, caused by the lugs not locking up tight enough. This is no big deal except I don't like rattly things and I don't like the lever dropping down when you step off a log or something. Marlins can be loose as well. It annoys me so much that I wont buy one over the internet anymore, I need to look at it.
Older ones will often show mildly pertruding primers in the cases. This is a sign of excessive headspace in this cartridge and rifle, but it is really no big deal and can be happily ignored.
The Best Winchester 94's are the pre-64 made rifles. The next best are the rifles made in the 1970's right up until they made the Angle Eject model in about 1982 or so. I have no opinion on the AE models as I have not had one.

I have never met a Winchester 92 in the traditional chamberings that wouldn't feed either.

But if the Rossi 92's in .357 or .44 mag (both cartridges the Winchester 92 was not specifically designed around) wont feed then look at your ammo - the Winchester design is not sharp angle friendly on a bullet, a Keith style bullet with a wide meplat, or a wad cutter design may not feed. And is sensitive to overall length. If it is jamming as it coming up, it often is to do with the distance between guide rails, and they can be carefully shimmed.

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MSL - The holy grail... a pre'64 in fine condition. Superb.

My current one is a mint 1970's. It will shoot an honest five- shot 1.5 inch group at 100 metres with its standard factory sights with both 150 grain and 170 grains handloads.


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This ones a '59, fire the first shots tomorrow. Imported from Canada.

All the feeding problems I have seen with Rossi,s have been due to ammo, had a marlin 336 in 3030, (made 1974)never missed a beat
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So there are no good quality brand new levers on the market and one must search for a good example of a 40plus year old rifle?

It certainly sounds like it, I'm happy with my Savage it needs to loose some weight though, I think taking off the bases rings and scope and getting a lighter style stock will help a lot
I like the rotary mag it feeds flawlesly, trigger is ok and it has a new barrel so will outsee me.

The last 94 I had was from memory an early 90s Winchester 94Ranger AE (angle eject) - fine rifle. Latest 94s are made by Miroku - dearer but v well made. Also - no reason you can't pick up a new Marlin 336.

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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

You must be a Marlin owner. I can tell by your shrivelled prune-like tone of Baptist self-righteousness. Right at the start I will say that Winchester owners are simply cooler than you. This must rankle.

All I can say is that the one I had all the screws needed tightening up all the time. I was not alone in this when I talked to others.

Yes, Marlins are heavy, we are in accord; actually one pound heavier than a Winchester.

The triggers are slushy - compared to Winchesters, and even Rossi 92's, which are excellent in my experience. The only lever action with a worse trigger than the average Marlin, is a BLR, also winner of the Worlds Most Ugliest Firearm.

Lever throw - even in your photograph you can see the MArlin has at least another inch or more. A Winchester user will notice this immediately, and will have to force himself to press the lever back to cock the rifle. It's not a fault, but it's not as good as the Shorter Winchester lever swing.

They are both rattly compared to a Winchester 92 or a Rossi 92.

They stopped making them when they also stopped making the Winchester 70 which was over industrial relations and a change of factories. They still make them now and charge a great deal for a Japanese manufactured one. The design is so popular, that Mossberg makes the same rifle.

As for your poll, the Castbullet site is full of geriatric thrifty pensioners who cast bullets. None of them can see very well, they have Marlins because of the ease of mounting a scope.
Indeed, Marlins are popular rifles. But they havn't sold anywhere near seven million of them and they have been for sale for as long as the Winchester has.

But, the significant thing about my post is that I said I didn't like Marlins. I didn't say you didn't like Marlins.


(PS, Oh, and there's too much wood on them. The stocks are fat. Winchesters are slimmer.)

(PPS. The comparison of the 30/30 and the 7x57 is an observation. If you have different numbers than me then please let me know.)

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Carlsen on behalf of common decency just tone down on Being a Protentious know it all.

You have your experiences and opinion but your really dragging the whole thread down and it's not on.

BLRs are available new. They may not be the prettiest one but they have a few advantages over the others.

Stacked removable box magazine hence can handle pionty calibres without hitting primers. Calibres like 308, 30/06, 243, 450 Marlin (rare but we did sell one) and 7mmRemmag

Some are a take down so the barrel separates from the action. Fits in a pack nicely.

Miroku also made these. Called the MLR. In fact Miroku made them for Browning as well....

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Carlsen on behalf of common decency just tone down on Being a Protentious know it all.

You have your experiences and opinion but your really dragging the whole thread down and it's not on.

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I am posting about rifles. You should post about the rifles too. Give me your opinion on Winchester versus Marlin. I am uninterested in what you think of me personally. It is enough for me to carry the weight of my own opinion, without having to worry about your feelings as well. I mean this in the most amiable way.

The Winchester 94 is still available under the Winchester name, but now manufactured in Japan, with a high price. To be honest, I don't think they are imported in New Zealand. The Marlin 336 is still around and readily available, at what I think is a fair price, around 900$. Although they have changed now and are made by Remington in a different factory, and I have read of quality control issues.
Mossberg still make the 464, which is their copy of the Winchester 94, with a rounded top, drilled and tapped for a scope. I have not used one of these and dont know how well they go. I cant see how they can go wrong though if they just copied the browning design...
And Rossi have stopped making the Rio Grande copy of the Marlin, or at least I think they have. I think they have also stopped making the .454 Casull in the model 92, which is a shame I would have liked to try one. They are still showing on the Ampro website, so maybe they still might have a couple left.

Otherwise there is the Browning lever action already mentioned, which comes in long action cartridges as well, a modern take on it all, as Timattalon has described. I like the old steel receiver ones with a straight stock, but I am a traditionalist.

There are also the Uberti made versions of the Winchester 73 and the Henry rifle. They are well made, and expensive too, but they come only in .44/40 or 357 Magnum cartridges and the rifles will not handle modern hot loads, you have to stick with black powder pressures. There is nothing wrong with this, an old school lead .44/40 will go straight through a red deer at 100 yards.

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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

You must be a Marlin owner. I can tell by your shrivelled prune-like tone of Baptist self-righteousness. Right at the start I will say that Winchester owners are simply cooler than you. This must rankle.

All I can say is that the one I had all the screws needed tightening up all the time. I was not alone in this when I talked to others.

Yes, Marlins are heavy, we are in accord; actually one pound heavier than a Winchester.

The triggers are slushy - compared to Winchesters, and even Rossi 92's, which are excellent in my experience. The only lever action with a worse trigger than the average Marlin, is a BLR, also winner of the Worlds Most Ugliest Firearm.

Lever throw - even in your photograph you can see the MArlin has at least another inch or more. A Winchester user will notice this immediately, and will have to force himself to press the lever back to cock the rifle. It's not a fault, but it's not as good as the Shorter Winchester lever swing.

They are both rattly compared to a Winchester 92 or a Rossi 92.

They stopped making them when they also stopped making the Winchester 70 which was over industrial relations and a change of factories. They still make them now and charge a great deal for a Japanese manufactured one. The design is so popular, that Mossberg makes the same rifle.

As for your poll, the Castbullet site is full of geriatric thrifty pensioners who cast bullets. None of them can see very well, they have Marlins because of the ease of mounting a scope.
Indeed, Marlins are popular rifles. But they havn't sold anywhere near seven million of them and they have been for sale for as long as the Winchester has.

But, the significant thing about my post is that I said I didn't like Marlins. I didn't say you didn't like Marlins.


(PS, Oh, and there's too much wood on them. The stocks are fat. Winchesters are slimmer.)

(PPS. The comparison of the 30/30 and the 7x57 is an observation. If you have different numbers than me then please let me know.)

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ill hit this short and fast then i am done with his thread

have a look at the name i use on this forum carlsonhighway . . . rossi.45
that you dont like Marlins is OK but its how you do it annoys me . . . they are better than the bag job you did on them.
ive owned 3 Winchester 94s, currently own 1 Rossi and 1 Marlin . . a Martini doesnt really count as a leveraction so ill leave that one out.

Winchester owners are cooler etc etc . . . grow up

R.

Screw y'all. Ruger 96/22.
Best lever action ever.

Levers are great fun. I stick to getting my lever fix in 22 though. Picked up a 94/22 off a member here in trade. Surprised how much I've enjoyed it. Beautiful little rifle and shoots brilliantly.

Sorry Marlin owners, as a non- expert the 94s just look right. The Marlin to me is uglier than the blr. Life's too short for ugly rifles (although I do have a savage in the back of the safe - only comes out after dark ��)!

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ill hit this short and fast then i am done with his thread

have a look at the name i use on this forum carlsonhighway . . . rossi.45
that you dont like Marlins is OK but its how you do it annoys me . . . they are better than the bag job you did on them.
ive owned 3 Winchester 94s, currently own 1 Rossi and 1 Marlin . . a Martini doesnt really count as a leveraction so ill leave that one out.

Winchester owners are cooler etc etc . . . grow up

R.

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I will hate Marlins as much as I want to, possibly even more than I really do, and I will even post about it some more if you press me. But you have to stop getting angry at what strangers write on the internet.

Just shot my '94, fist size group at 60 metres off hand so pretty happy

Offhand? Excellent. Any more photos would be appreciated...

Offhand as in standing in the hay barn shooting at a piece of 6x2 with a vivid marked diamond on it, as it was pissing down.

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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

I am posting about rifles. You should post about the rifles too. Give me your opinion on Winchester versus Marlin. I am uninterested in what you think of me personally. It is enough for me to carry the weight of my own opinion, without having to worry about your feelings as well. I mean this in the most amiable way.

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If the Winchesters are soo fantastic as you claim then why did Winchester go belly up in the 80's after being sold to its employees? Marlin got bought by Remington in the mid 2000's. There is no contest when it comes to mounting a optic(Marlin wins), the extra inch of lever throw? Are you insecure about an extra inch(or lack of)?. When it comes to accuracy the humble Marlin wins also with the leverevolution ammunition bringing in a number of rifles going under the inch.

I was making the point that you missed yet again( are you a person who does things three times?) that although entitled to your opinion you were going about it in a wanker sorta way and was just reminding you of the lack of common decency.

Yours Truly from a PROUD Marlin Owner

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Levers are great fun. I stick to getting my lever fix in 22 though. Picked up a 94/22 off a member here in trade. Surprised how much I've enjoyed it. Beautiful little rifle and shoots brilliantly.

Sorry Marlin owners, as a non- expert the 94s just look right. The Marlin to me is uglier than the blr. Life's too short for ugly rifles (although I do have a savage in the back of the safe - only comes out after dark ��)!

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They say you can have a lot of fun with the ugly ones:ORLY:

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If the Winchesters are soo fantastic as you claim then why did Winchester go belly up in the 80's after being sold to its employees? Marlin got bought by Remington in the mid 2000's. There is no contest when it comes to mounting a optic(Marlin wins), the extra inch of lever throw? Are you insecure about an extra inch(or lack of)?. When it comes to accuracy the humble Marlin wins also with the leverevolution ammunition bringing in a number of rifles going under the inch.

I was making the point that you missed yet again( are you a person who does things three times?) that although entitled to your opinion you were going about it in a wanker sorta way and was just reminding you of the lack of common decency.

Yours Truly from a PROUD Marlin Owner

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I can demonstrate my opinion in any fucking way I like. If I cared what you thought of it I would have sent you a Christmas card.

Winchester went out of business in the 1930's smartass. It was sold to its employees in the 1980's by Olin, who continued to manufacture rifles in the same factory under license. It that too pretentious and know it all for you? I didnt even have to google it. But what does the manufacturing history have to do with why I like Winchesters? Who cares?

You may continue to own your goddamn Marlin and be pleased about it. I said: I wouldn't touch a Marlin. I'm not bagging the rifles anymore, now I'm starting to wonder about the fucking owners.

Rock river, Carlsen - drop it. Have owned heaps of Winchesters and Marlins and both make some very good rifles. Nothing wrong with the 336 range, and the 94s were still fine rifles up to last 3-4 years of final production. New Miroku made 94s excellent. There is no wrong choice here. Just personal preference.

I prefer the 94 but would grab a 336 any day. In fact gadgetman says he's about to buy one and whether he likes it not that 336 is gonna spend good time in my closet. Don't tell him that. Let him buy it first.

Also a great fan of the Winny 9422 (22LR) and 9422M (WMR). Restored and sold a brace of them couple of years ago - one in each caliber. Beautiful wee rimfire levers.

Now here's a lever action worth mentioning :) Sarko Finnwolf | Trade Me

Agreed - what a gem. Very tempting. Problem is I would need to chop and thread/suppress it, but the Finnwolf is/is becoming a classic, kind of rifle you might want to keep original.

A question on Uberti lever actions - not a make I've had anything to do with. Italian of course doing copies of old school lever models. Has anyone owned one or looked into these rifles? Seems to be original old school calibers and pistol rounds - no 30-30 - or am I wrong here. Be interested to hear about them if someone knows this make.

I think that the role that lever actions play (small carbine that's fast to fire and takes a pistol caliber) is now better filled by the modern do everything rifle - AR15.

Digit is selling 9mm ARs for $1700. One is on my ever growing purchase list.

The role they play for me is not anything to do with pistol calibres, my current one being 30-30, it's more about the slim profile/feel in the hand. So they are worlds apart i reckon

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I think that the role that lever actions play (small carbine that's fast to fire and takes a pistol caliber) is now better filled by the modern do everything rifle - AR15.

Digit is selling 9mm ARs for $1700. One is on my ever growing purchase list.

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But a lever is much cooler, sleeker, and sexier, ... and way less evil.

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Agreed - what a gem. Very tempting. Problem is I would need to chop and thread/suppress it, but the Finnwolf is/is becoming a classic, kind of rifle you might want to keep original.

A question on Uberti lever actions - not a make I've had anything to do with. Italian of course doing copies of old school lever models. Has anyone owned one or looked into these rifles? Seems to be original old school calibers and pistol rounds - no 30-30 - or am I wrong here. Be interested to hear about them if someone knows this make.

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I've had a fair bit to do with Uberti lever actions, both the 1866 & 1873 models.
They are well made rifles and as accurate as any modern lever gun. The two models above are only available in pistol caliber and are heavy guns, noticeably more so than
the Rossi or Marlin. The 1873 is a neat gun to take apart, the entire working mechanism is visible with the removal of the two side plates by undoing a single screw.

The 1866 is a little more difficult to disassemble and I've heard (not seen) of the rifles brass receiver being stretched by firing too many full house loads.
To follow the evolution of the lever action rifle, from the Henry, 1866, 1873, 1892 then 1894 rifles is quite cool. Each gun has unique features and noticeable design changes along the way.

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But a lever is much cooler, sleeker, and sexier, ... and way less evil.

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Hillary? Is that you?

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But a lever is much cooler, sleeker, and sexier, ... and way less evil.

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This will make your eyes burn then,heres the evil version :D
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Its just so wrong in so many ways its not possible to list all of them

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This will make your eyes burn then,heres the evil version :D
Mossberg 464 SPX Tactical Lever Action
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Its just so wrong in so many ways its not possible to list all of them

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No NO NOOOOOO,................ Thats like a AR15 with a wooden stock............. just not right

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Hillary? Is that you?

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Bugger Bill, I think I've been tumbled!

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This will make your eyes burn then,heres the evil version :D
Mossberg 464 SPX Tactical Lever Action
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Its just so wrong in so many ways its not possible to list all of them

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How do I make that unseen?

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No NO NOOOOOO,................ Thats like a AR15 with a wooden stock............. just not right

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If you ever wondered what a firearm would look like if it were designed by a "brainstorming session" at a marketing dept whose members have less than no idea of what a firearm actually is then THIS IS IT folks

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If you ever wondered what a firearm would look like if it were designed by a "brainstorming session" at a marketing dept whose members have less than no idea of what a firearm actually is then THIS IS IT folks

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If shit happened and it was the only gun I had left I would use the pitch fork instead.

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How do I make that unseen?

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A distraction might help ........

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Phew, that's better

Had to put that hand steriliser shit on my eyeballs for a second there

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Agreed - what a gem. Very tempting. Problem is I would need to chop and thread/suppress it, but the Finnwolf is/is becoming a classic, kind of rifle you might want to keep original.

A question on Uberti lever actions - not a make I've had anything to do with. Italian of course doing copies of old school lever models. Has anyone owned one or looked into these rifles? Seems to be original old school calibers and pistol rounds - no 30-30 - or am I wrong here. Be interested to hear about them if someone knows this make.

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I had a Uberti 1866 in 44/40.Probably more of a enthusiasts hunting Rifle instead of anything serious,from memory the sights were pretty crap.
Having said that it was reliable and interesting to own.
I remember loosing a full box of 44/40 first time out with it,70 odd bucks a box back in the 90's.Ouch.

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A distraction might help ........

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Can you get a carbon fiber stock for those cos then it would almost be fashionable although you still have to work the lever to make the semi auto function work and mag changes are a pain.