[QUOTE=john m;737449]
I give the edge to the Triple 4 for NZ animals and conditions both hit very hard but the 444 has less recoil and a flater trajectory. Mine is sighted at 170yds and will put the 265gr into 1.5" at this range.
nice rifles @john m very nice . . . but i feel that the advantages you give to the 444 over the .45/70 aren't looking at them from a level playing field when the .45s bullet is 85grns heavier
i can do the same thing and compare a 300grn. load for the 444 at 2000fps against a 250grn. flex tip Hornady bullet at +2300 in the .45/70 ( same barrel length ) and prove my cartridge is whatever i want if i cherry pick.
this info came from tenth addition of the Hornady manual . . . and Yes i admit that i do own a .45/70 & i have a bias against all the .44s, any cartridge that calls itself a .44 when it only has a bullet diamater of .427 to .430 obviously cannot be trusted and is a product of marketing . . . the .45s need no such padding.
they are both great cartridges !
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