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I should add. Was in gun city ChCh today and they have a very nice marlin .444, that would be hard to beat for a bush rifle, sights missing but they were prepared to install sum for me, no ammo on hand, so nope for me for today. Hope fully it's gone before I next walk in the door.
300wsm, 338fed, 325wsm or 30/06 bush pig. Loaded with a 150 or 180 barnes/stiff pill.
Marlin 1895 hands down, strong action, proven design side loading and ejection. They are usually very accurate and mounts are readily availible. 45-70 would be ideal for your stated purpose. Even out of the short barrel you can still get up to around 2200fps with 300gr projectiles, which absolutely flatten the deer.
NZAR15 sell AR10 style semiautos with 16" or 18" barrels
308 may be a smaller pill than what you are after but it is short, silenceable and fairly cheap for that fast followup shot
There are a couple of m77's in 375 and 416Ruger on TM if you want to take it beyond all doubt:thumbsup:
My pick so far would be southernman with the 9.3x74 double. probably not ideal length and a bit up market for a bush gun but no one else would have one.
Power wise would that be up around 375 levels?
Z
Can I come hunting on your block flyblown to see if my 308 stumpy will work on these beasts? ;)
I had one in 30/06 and wished I had got the 45/70 instead. Like all doubles, getting the barrels pointing in near the same direction can be a challenge, but for sheer mack it factor the double has it.....Sauer make one too I think. Saw it at the Tahr show a few years back in 450nitro express....Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
You can never have too much knock down....Mind you the price of the ammo might hurt more than the recoil..... https://www.guncity.com/450-hornady-...-rounds-230991 $11 per shot....Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Tikka battue 9.3x62
And flatten the hill behind to make the walk out easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
not any more lol-I have a 416 Remington that ive shot one deer with years ago and that's what I tell people when they say that. You can certainly see why the old school boys rated bullet diameter. Dropped like a stone, no kicking and it wasn't like it smashed both shoulders and the spine at the same time either-it definitely didn't use up all its energy in thereQuote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Thats why a few uys like hunting with the 45/70 or the 450 marlin. You dont spend hours tracking a deer that bolted before dropping. Its right where you left it.....Same with the 303 and the 215gr Woodleigh round nose. BOOOM , FLOP!Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
@berg Apparently I have a recoil fetish (according to my hunting buddies) but I will admit to not quite being used to the 375 H&H magnum yet.....but if someone is supplying the stick and the ammo, I am up for a go.....Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
when I first got the 416 there were 4 rounds with it, round nose so prob 400 grain. mate and I shot one each-recoil very stout would be a good description.
To his surprise he got a tiny bruise on the shoulder-only gun to ever do that on one shot. The deer was shot with a barnes 350 x bullet doing somewhere in 2100fps mark. not to bad really, and grouped under 3/4 inch at a hundy.
Did some other handloads with 340 Woodleigh's-put them over a chronograph and in the high 2500's. They were a snappy load but didn't sight them in and never shot anything. ballistic testing on mates pine blocks showed very dynamic expansion but then wood would do that lol
So fellas its pretty much decided. Thanks for all your ideas and input, have enjoyed the banter. No “right” answer for this, will have to see how it pans put, its a totally different rifle to anything I’ve ever owned before... but I reload and I am a big fan of the 0.473” bolt face... so the answer is... .358 Win Browning SLR. Very close second was the Marlin 1895 in .45-70 Govt. Not far behind that was the Ruger Predator in .450 Bushmaster. But the Browning won out, now just got to find one...
So now the caliber is selected what projectiles and powder?
Have you worked out what you will use
I'm thinking of Sierra GK 225 and varget/ar2208
And a solt pistol jacketed bullet 125-160 gr over trail boss and a min varget load. pest control up to goats.
ZQ