This scope I was looking at has the clicks labeled in mils and its max adjustment labeled in moa, why's that? Shouldn't it be in mils as well?
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This scope I was looking at has the clicks labeled in mils and its max adjustment labeled in moa, why's that? Shouldn't it be in mils as well?
@Toby isnt mils meant as milliradian or points of a milliradian.
Yeah, but I mean whys the scope say its clicks are 0.1mil but then says its max clicks is 56moa? I thought the max clicks would be in mils too?
ah gotch ya that is fuckin oddQuote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Probably mil values but scope is available in mil or MOA. Lazy sales sheet.
If the clicks are in mils it's probably just they were too lazy to convert the max adjustment to mils. It doesn't matter that they have said that, if the turrets are .1 mil clicks then its a mil scope. 56moa is 16.6 mils if you are wondering
Or is it like Rushys? Mil reticle with moa adjustments
It had a mil dot rectical :) it was a leupold mk ar but I saw a close up on a review on youtube and it has a dumb turret. They should make them at that price but not for .223's! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Oh well bow it is. Thanks for the answers guys
Yeah there are a few of the specialist 223 scopes around that seem really good value, with good mag ranges ect, but are only offered with a 223 drop reticle.... :omg:Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
Could it be that the scope's POI can be adjusted 56 inches at 100yds?
I thought leaning how to use Mildots would be cheaper than getting a range finder. If game all came in 1 size and shape it would make things a lot easier :D ...
Mildot does my head in don't understand it and don't want to bad enough trying to get a grasp on MOA, I guess that is why I like scopes with the extra crosshairs to save having to work that stuff out :D
Without understanding it those extra cross hairs mean nothing but guess work :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
Wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
The mil system is easy to understand and far more useful than a BC reticle
Simple I do not understand using mil. Ok if there was a simple way of understanding and how to use mil then I would probably look into it but every time I see it referred to it does my head in as I just plainly don't understand what the heck everyone is talking about and I never bother asking about it as I have never had the need to use something like that as I have never been into long range shooting. so if you would like to explain in in simple terms so thick shits like myself can understand it then be my guest instead of giving me a WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
each cross hair on my scope is in 100 yard increments so easy for me to use if I know the distances I am shooting at.Quote:
Without understanding it those extra cross hairs mean nothing but guess work
I did this article for the gun club I used to belong too. It's pretty much cut and tucked from a magazine article (apart from the example and I hope the math is right) so I don't deserve any credit. Fun to muck around with though.
Milliradian dot scopes were developed in the late 70's for U.S. Marine snipers to estimate distances.
They have a designated magnification for ranging which is normally the highest setting (i.e. 9x). The distance between the dot centres at 100 yards should be 3.6 inches or 10cm at 100m for metric scopes.
You can confirm this by putting two pieces of tape on a fence post 100 yards away, centres exactly 3.6” apart.
To range find for targets in inches:
((Target size in inches/39) x 1000) / (number of mil-dots)= distance in yards.
Example: You spot a rabbit at an unknown distance through your scope, assuming most rabbits in the “sit” position is probably around 9” from chest to tail, you see
that it measures about 1.25 dots in your scope so:
9/39 x1000 /1.25 = 184.6 yards… simple.
For larger targets ((Target size in yards or meters) x 1000)
/ (number of mil-dots) = distance in yards or meters.
As game tends to be malleable, distances given may be more ball park figures.
As to why the max is listed in moa , when the scope has mil knobs , EASY , its listed that way so Yanks can understand them un Godly european metrics , ie most Yanks know you need approx 44moa to get a 308 out to 1000yds , and have NO idea how many mils they need for the 308 at 1000yds .
How is your scope in 100 yard increments ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
Was the recticle made for your load? In your cal?
1MIL=10cm at 100m....Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
1MIL=100cm at 1000m...
Most scopes with .1mil turrets.
.1MIL = 1cm at 100m
.1MIL = 10cm at 1000m
Pretty easy
@hunter308, i'll start a new thread on mil/moa basics...
feel free to ask any questions you have :)
@ebf that would be great and really appreciatedQuote:
Originally Posted by ebf
My bushnell trohpy XLT has the DOA600 reticle on it and has been designed to work with most calibers and has had me banging gongs out to 320 meters using the extra cross hairs with my current load I am using in the 270 so yes has been pretty much spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
When you look at it closely, Mil radians makes more sense like all 10 divisible measurement systems (metric).
Gets spazzy when you are going back and forth from yards and inches though.
That being said I like MOA and find it very easy, but that may just be from my days as a land surveyor.
Scopes with mismatched reticles and turrets are the most dumb arse idea ever I can't believe they were ever made. I have one and can manage with the math but it is slower.