Military style semi automatics, and not-so-automatics, over the years.

If its in the bush Id have a 308 semi like an SLR or M1-better for getting through trees or so some of the old buggers who were in 'nam told me anyway
In something a bit more open, a 3 burst type m16 jobbie so I don't go through so much ammo.
Close up in a building a semi 8 shot shotgun or maybe a silenced SMG.
OR if in doubt an SMLE 303 with a bunch of 10 shot mags and not too long a barrel. fast rate of fire, big bullet, quick change magazine and not something I would burn all my ammo up if I got excited

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If its in the bush Id have a 308 semi like an SLR or M1-better for getting through trees or so some of the old buggers who were in 'nam told me anyway
In something a bit more open, a 3 burst type m16 jobbie so I don't go through so much ammo.
Close up in a building a semi 8 shot shotgun or maybe a silenced SMG.
OR if in doubt an SMLE 303 with a bunch of 10 shot mags and not too long a barrel. fast rate of fire, big bullet, quick change magazine and not something I would burn all my ammo up if I got excited

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Five shot charger clips perhaps...


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20 shot repeater 1790 ish

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+100 points to anyone who states what rifle they would take into 'battle'

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AK. with a decent sight.

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AR15 with orange flash hider so I can pretend it's an AirSoft.

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my Springfield Armory M1A

SLR some things just cant be bettered

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SLR some things just cant be bettered

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An SLR can most definitely be bettered, very long and heavy good for open country but not much else. Most fighting today is in urban terrain. Something portable, manoeuvrable and the ability to reach out long is the ticket ie. AR platform.

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An SLR can most definitely be bettered, very long and heavy good for open country but not much else. Most fighting today is in urban terrain. Something portable, manoeuvrable and the ability to reach out long is the ticket ie. AR platform.

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Yes, that toy gun has it, hate to agree. I'd have put down something light like Sterling SMG with a fairly long reach - but we're limited to talk rifles here.

Stg44 for me. Original "assault rifle"

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One of these with an optic, might be a bit short on range though

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still the ak. never needs cleaning....

You guys realize most mass shootings (in the USA) are committed with handguns. And the highest death count for a school mass shooting was with handguns.

There are on average 50 gun homicides in the USA per day, of those 1 is probably with a rifle (including ARs). The rest are all hand gun shootings.

Despite the media hype, the real problem with guns in the USA is handguns, not ARs... it's not even close. And most mass shootings there have less than a .2% impact on overall death by homicide numbers.

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You guys realize most mass shootings (in the USA) are committed with handguns. And the highest death count for a school mass shooting was with handguns.

There are on average 50 gun homicides in the USA per day, of those 1 is probably with a rifle (including ARs). The rest are all hand gun shootings.

Despite the media hype, the real problem with guns in the USA is handguns, not ARs... it's not even close. And most mass shootings there have less than a .2% impact on overall death by homicide numbers.

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Yup, its just that when some one shoots at and kills a bunch in one go its very news worthy especially when its in a public place and even worse when its at a school. and even worse when its a black gun. very hot topic lately.
Moreso than a kid getting at the home defence weapon that is a bit easy to get to and shooting one of the family or crims shooting each other. All bad but not so emotive.
well maybe crims shooting each other not so bad but you know what I mean.

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An SLR can most definitely be bettered, very long and heavy good for open country but not much else. Most fighting today is in urban terrain. Something portable, manoeuvrable and the ability to reach out long is the ticket ie. AR platform.

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Or just swap SLR for its folding-stock metric original. A few additions and all of the disadvantages mentioned above are negated plus vastly superior penetration of certain obstacles, soft skinned vehicles and personnel wearing body armour.

im sold, how often do slr's jam up if not reguarly cleaned? or dropped in the filth etc?

They've had their time mate, I definitely wouldn't have carried one when I was in the sand.

mod 70 winchester in .30/06 with a fixed power scope.....pump shotgun filled with #BBs and #00 buck for up close .

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The platform's continued police and military service suggests otherwise.

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Being able to take opponents out through whatever they cover behind, from thick trees to brick walls, that's worth a painful neck and shoulder.

In talking of the choice of gun... they're all worth little without mates who have your back

Just because they are still in service doesn't necessarily mean they are the best option. They are a good rifle don't get me wrong but, due to many other factors and considerations at the operator, unit and logistic level there are better.

As has been said,they are a good Rifle but from another time.

They are too heavy when set up with an optic and too long for CQB,the weight of the ammo+magazines+what a modern Solider has to carry these days means they are just too much gun.

Yea too much gun - you never wanna be outgunned aye
No discussion about the elephant gun would be complete without an war story from Vietnam
Two guys take cover on either of a large deadfall tree during a contact
1 VC with an AK on 1 side & a kiwi on the other side with an SLR
VC attempts to shoot kiwi by firing his AK gangsta styles over the tree
Kiwi guy shoots VC through the tree
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It's always a funny old thing watching these discussions about semi auto's vs bolt vs whatever, and then sitting back and considering that most people who have been shot in NZ have been shot once by the first and only projectile sent.

From the stats, I am still trying to work out what the issue with semi automatic firearms is, military style or otherwise.

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Yes. Some still argue that a known average shooter like LH Oswald could not have gotten off three well aimed shots in 5.8 secs with low end Italian bolt action, without even a decent scope.

Could of course have used a muzzle loader with similar effect.

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Yes. Some still argue that an average shooter like LH Oswald could not have gotten off three well aimed shots in 5.8 secs with low end Italian bolt action, did not even have a Leupold mounted...

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Well, JFK did catch a 223 in the back of the head thanks to the SS in the car behind him ;)

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Well, JFK did catch a 223 in the back of the head thanks to the SS in the car behind him ;)

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Ah yes, forgot about that. Was the .223 even around then?

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Ah yes, forgot about that. Was the .223 even around then?

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Yup. Meet Agent Hickey.

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