THe latest Hunting and Fishing cattledog has a whole page of "Tactical" shotguns with pistol grips.
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THe latest Hunting and Fishing cattledog has a whole page of "Tactical" shotguns with pistol grips.
Yeah I looked at them - they all have shoulder stocks. It's the pistol-grip option alone ie no shoulder stock whatsoever that I'm unsure about.
If it's over 762mm it's fine.
A pistol is 'under 762mm or designed or adapted to be fired with one hand'
Pretty hard to fire a 762mm long 12g one handed
PGO shotguns suck at everything though
iv had one of those 12ga 8 shot Mossbergs with just a pistol grip on.
very dangerous to fire with one hand let alone incredibly hard to take the weight
firing it one handed it nearly hit me in the face
utterly useless gun, with out the shouldering capability it is nearly impossible to hit anything
took it off and put the original stock back on.
Had a burn on a 590 with just a PG. Heaps of fun but as everyone else said good for fuck all.
Looks to me those PGO shotties are most appropriate in a personal-defense or 'house' gun scenario. Which doesn't quite match our 'hunting' or target-shooting purpose which most of us got our FAL under the guise of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill999
honestly they are terrable for hitting things and incredibly hard to aim
if it was for anything that requires quick shooting the butt stock that comes on them from factory will do miles better for quick shooting like home defence suituations, they look like that to appeal to stupid kids that watch too much tv
I know, I use to be/still am one of them
Nah they really suck for everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by SiB
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Hmmm - trying a short gun to be different, Hi, I'm the guy with the handcuffs on :pacman:
Yes its an arbitary number, but so what: its the number. The reason? presumably about concealment or simply having a number which defines pistol vs rifle. Can anybody come up with an actual REAL reason why they need a rifle which is shorter than short? Plenty of blah blah but REALLY?????
And "asking so we can keep it legal?" More like asking "whats the dodgiest thing I can do to stay sort of legal, maybe, Im not sure, oh well wtf..."
anyhoo, lose your license, your job and your guns just to have a short shooter = cool plan :x_x: Even if you got pinged, challenged it and won (as in SL8 guy) imagine the hassle you are taking on.
It's either legal or it's not. "Cuz I want one" is a good enough reason.
Exact same experience here, the PG makes ya point it all funny and renders an otherwise good gun only useful as a movie prop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill999
Waste of $70 - hopefully my mistake saves the money of others
Mind you, in movies when someone gets hit with a 12G they go flying backwards about 3m so I should've known it was bullshit..
Build/buy a bullpup! I am building an SKS based one at the moment as a bush rifle, would have it functioning but for the damn shoddy machining inside the aftermarket gas tube scope mount I bought off trademe...
OAL is 782mm, this includes the rubber butt pad. I may pack it out to 765 over the hardware (limbsaver not included) just to be safe. It has a 20" barrel.
Black Sheep Compact carbine (Bullpup MkIV)
As for the PG shotguns, they make great doorknockers without too much OAL.
Sorry if this has been answered, but how does one measure the over all length of a firearm with an adjustable, or folding stock? Is it measured when it's fully open, or fully closed?
Fully open I think.
cyclist, you should come hunt the Kaimais,, recon you will come back and cut inchs off your barrel.
It's when the stock is fully closed, at its shortest position. Just remember if semi it will be classed E, no matter what the length, unless under 762mm, then it will be a B cat.
Its only B Cat if an approved pistol. Otherwise it will be C Cat
Just read this on the facebook page for NZAR15.com Police have a new E Cat Folding/Collapsing stock interpretation.
It appears that if you have an E Cat firearm, you are now officially allowed to have a stock on that firearm that collapses below 762mm. Muzzle devices are not included in this length formula.
This opens the door for shorter barrel combinations as long as your guns total length can be extended to 762mm +
Note: this is E Cat only!
Who came up with all this bullshit anyway? It only stops us honest people from owning more funs.
It's a bit of a weird rule in general. You are saying someone is fit and proper to carry that e category firearm and protect it in the appropriate safe. Then all of a sudden that person is going to potentially shorten it below a certain length and could possibly try to conceal it? oh right........
ive got a small cock so naturally I like big blingy guns :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
I've got a Jw15a that has the full over barrel suppressor. Suppressor off, its 800mm with an 11 inch tube. Its another 100mm long with suppressor fitted. Rules are only followed by honest people..... I forget where I was going with this after getting out the 22 for a measure, useless fucken post
Sent from my workbench
800 mm is way legal
yeah the minimum is 762