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Looks to me those PGO shotties are most appropriate in a personal-defense or 'house' gun scenario. Which doesn't quite match our 'hunting' or target-shooting purpose which most of us got our FAL under the guise of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill999
honestly they are terrable for hitting things and incredibly hard to aim
if it was for anything that requires quick shooting the butt stock that comes on them from factory will do miles better for quick shooting like home defence suituations, they look like that to appeal to stupid kids that watch too much tv
I know, I use to be/still am one of them
Nah they really suck for everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by SiB
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Hmmm - trying a short gun to be different, Hi, I'm the guy with the handcuffs on :pacman:
Yes its an arbitary number, but so what: its the number. The reason? presumably about concealment or simply having a number which defines pistol vs rifle. Can anybody come up with an actual REAL reason why they need a rifle which is shorter than short? Plenty of blah blah but REALLY?????
And "asking so we can keep it legal?" More like asking "whats the dodgiest thing I can do to stay sort of legal, maybe, Im not sure, oh well wtf..."
anyhoo, lose your license, your job and your guns just to have a short shooter = cool plan :x_x: Even if you got pinged, challenged it and won (as in SL8 guy) imagine the hassle you are taking on.
It's either legal or it's not. "Cuz I want one" is a good enough reason.
Exact same experience here, the PG makes ya point it all funny and renders an otherwise good gun only useful as a movie prop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill999
Waste of $70 - hopefully my mistake saves the money of others
Mind you, in movies when someone gets hit with a 12G they go flying backwards about 3m so I should've known it was bullshit..
Build/buy a bullpup! I am building an SKS based one at the moment as a bush rifle, would have it functioning but for the damn shoddy machining inside the aftermarket gas tube scope mount I bought off trademe...
OAL is 782mm, this includes the rubber butt pad. I may pack it out to 765 over the hardware (limbsaver not included) just to be safe. It has a 20" barrel.
Black Sheep Compact carbine (Bullpup MkIV)
As for the PG shotguns, they make great doorknockers without too much OAL.
Sorry if this has been answered, but how does one measure the over all length of a firearm with an adjustable, or folding stock? Is it measured when it's fully open, or fully closed?
Fully open I think.
cyclist, you should come hunt the Kaimais,, recon you will come back and cut inchs off your barrel.
It's when the stock is fully closed, at its shortest position. Just remember if semi it will be classed E, no matter what the length, unless under 762mm, then it will be a B cat.
Its only B Cat if an approved pistol. Otherwise it will be C Cat
Just read this on the facebook page for NZAR15.com Police have a new E Cat Folding/Collapsing stock interpretation.
It appears that if you have an E Cat firearm, you are now officially allowed to have a stock on that firearm that collapses below 762mm. Muzzle devices are not included in this length formula.
This opens the door for shorter barrel combinations as long as your guns total length can be extended to 762mm +
Note: this is E Cat only!
Who came up with all this bullshit anyway? It only stops us honest people from owning more funs.